UK Politics

[fraybentos1]

2 hours ago, lazyred said:

Ths SNP only need one, it might get them through the next 2 years. Obviously support from the 7 Greens is better. Will the Greens benefiit from an election and what is the minimum they will they want from the next leader?

Greens will support anyone bar Forbes (or anyone who is realistically going to be in the running)

 

Swinney would be an embarrassing choice and it shows how scared they are of losing loads of seats next election. Also, only a year ago he ruled himself out and said he was too old and wanted out of frontline politics etc. He was also leader 20 years ago and did shite

[pink_triangle]

BBC news thread said the Torys could agree to keep Forbes in power. As a labour supporter I would like to see that happen!

[Neil]

6 hours ago, zahidf said:

Corbyn can apologise and get the whip back

 

Abbott has apologised for that letter and withdrawn it, but hasnt had the whip restored. In what way is she choosing to remain suspended exactly?

abbott has to do more to actively show she's trying to break her bad habit, she's  been asked to take a course to educate herself, she says she doesn't need education on that subject, her letter proves that she does.

[Neil]

On 4/28/2024 at 4:21 PM, Crazyfool01 said:

As above ⬆️ where I clearly mentioned his voting for austerity 

 

politicians have to try to do the right thing at the time, and they are then abused for the rest of their  career because they tried to do the right thing at the time 

'no austerity' was a possible but it came with unseen consequences that the vote was also about - see for example what happened with the economy when truss decided she could do what the f**k she liked without considering consequences.

that for many might have been worse than austerity.

[zahidf]

6 minutes ago, Neil said:

abbott has to do more to actively show she's trying to break her bad habit, she's  been asked to take a course to educate herself, she says she doesn't need education on that subject, her letter proves that she does.

Why when so many MPs are a lot worse?

 

She's being a bit stubborn but she's publicly gone back on her letter. 

[zahidf]

Just now, Neil said:

 

politicians have to try to do the right thing at the time, and they are then abused for the rest of their  career because they tried to do the right thing at the time 

'no austerity' was a possible but it came with unseen consequences that the vote was also about - see for example what happened with the economy when truss decided she could do what the f**k she liked without considering consequences.

that for many might have been worse than austerity.

Any stats for this or just 'vibes'?

[Neil]

Just now, zahidf said:

Why when so many MPs are a lot worse?

who and what have they published?

 

Just now, zahidf said:

 

She's being a bit stubborn but she's publicly gone back on her letter. 

she's being stubborn, pretending she has nothing to learn, the sort of arrogant attitude that has caused many to dislike her throughout her political career.

[Neil]

2 minutes ago, zahidf said:

Any stats for this or just 'vibes'?

im simply pointing out that politicians  are voting about more than just 'the thing' in any vote, because there's also what happens without 'the thing'. 

 

when them voting for 'the thing' gets thrown back at them, no one is considering the consequences of not doing 'the thing'. so they're being criticised without fair context.

[Neil]

1 hour ago, pink_triangle said:

BBC news thread said the Torys could agree to keep Forbes in power. As a labour supporter I would like to see that happen!

tartan tories, who knew?? 😛 

[Neil]

3 hours ago, Nobody Interesting said:

The last reason was the Anti War one from what I can find out.................. but either way he did not choose to be removed, he was booted out.

he chose acts which he knew would lead to that.

 

he was asked to accept the anti-Semitism report, but didn't, (he'd been warned of the consequences for that in advance of him not accepting it).

 

like abbott, so clever he has nothing to learn..... funny how someone that clever could lose an election so badly.

 

 

[zahidf]

15 minutes ago, Neil said:

who and what have they published?

 

she's being stubborn, pretending she has nothing to learn, the sort of arrogant attitude that has caused many to dislike her throughout her political career.

The main reason people have disliked her is sexism and racism.

 

Or are you pretending she hasn't faced that?

 

I'm not a fan, but I think she does deserve a second chance 

[zahidf]

12 minutes ago, Neil said:

im simply pointing out that politicians  are voting about more than just 'the thing' in any vote, because there's also what happens without 'the thing'. 

 

when them voting for 'the thing' gets thrown back at them, no one is considering the consequences of not doing 'the thing'. so they're being criticised without fair context.

Most of them are doing it because of the whipping system and they are sticking to their party

 

That's fine. But they deserve the same criticism their party does. 

[Neil]

Just now, zahidf said:

The main reason people have disliked her is sexism and racism.

 

Or are you pretending she hasn't faced that?

of course she has, but also her character can make her dislikeable, unless you're saying she is only a gender and skin colour?

 

Just now, zahidf said:

I'm not a fan, but I think she does deserve a second chance 

she's been offered that chance what happens is in her control, until she's able to show she accepts the need to change, re-admittance would just be the starting gun towards the next incident.

[Neil]

3 minutes ago, zahidf said:

Most of them are doing it because of the whipping system and they are sticking to their party

 

and the party took a view considering all consequences

 

3 minutes ago, zahidf said:

 

That's fine. But they deserve the same criticism their party does. 

hindsight is a wonderful thing.

[mattiloy]

16 hours ago, zahidf said:

Lol whats that based on? 

 

its a tight race but i wouldn't say its a good sign for the other MPs ( and note Corbyn hasn't confirmed if he's running as an independent yet). 

Its based on using my big brain.

 

Intent to vote for an independent implies deeper knowledge of the options and by extension greater commitment to your political convictions.

 

Whilst since its not a national election, the traditional parties will see a normal level of voter attrition.

 

Voter ID will compound the issue. Driscoll voters will be more aware of the rule change.

[steviewevie]

10 hours ago, zahidf said:

The main reason people have disliked her is sexism and racism.

 

Or are you pretending she hasn't faced that?

 

I'm not a fan, but I think she does deserve a second chance 

 

I'd like her to have whip restored, but she doesn't make it easy..criticising the leadership, retweeting it was a scam tweets etc

[Neil]

48 minutes ago, mattiloy said:

ntent to vote for an independent implies deeper knowledge of the options and by extension greater commitment to your political convictions.

tp reverse your self-lauding: you had lesser knowledge of the options when you backed corbyn,  unless you intended to cause an 80 seat tory majority?

[zahidf]

10 hours ago, Neil said:

 

and the party took a view considering all consequences

 

hindsight is a wonderful thing.

Lol yeah the tories view is how much can they steal for their rich mates.

 

[Neil]

2 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

 

I'd like her to have whip restored, but she doesn't make it easy..criticising the leadership, retweeting it was a scam tweets etc

its not about her criticising the leadership, its about her attachment to to unacceptable views, and refusal to learn 

[Neil]

2 minutes ago, zahidf said:

Lol yeah the tories view is how much can they steal for their rich mates.

 

the stealing had already happened via the financial crisis, austerity was about how far that would affect individuals (via a bigger crisis, the bigger crisis the economy & country would have had if spending had continued at those levels)

[zahidf]

10 hours ago, Neil said:

of course she has, but also her character can make her dislikeable, unless you're saying she is only a gender and skin colour?

 

she's been offered that chance what happens is in her control, until she's able to show she accepts the need to change, re-admittance would just be the starting gun towards the next incident.

 

Being dislikeable isn't an impediment to being an MP. She's clearly not been given the same second chance other people in the party have been given. 

 

If she blows her second chance, then fine, she can be kicked out. 

[steviewevie]

4 minutes ago, Neil said:

its not about her criticising the leadership, its about her attachment to to unacceptable views, and refusal to learn 

yeah well she denies that accusation of refusing to do antisemitism training.

[Neil]

1 minute ago, steviewevie said:

yeah well she denies that accusation of refusing to do antisemitism training.

has she done the training???? when and where?

 

 

[steviewevie]

2 minutes ago, Neil said:

the stealing had already happened via the financial crisis, austerity was about how far that would affect individuals (via a bigger crisis, the bigger crisis the economy & country would have had if spending had continued at those levels)

austerity was supposedly about reducing deficit, but there are other ways to do...you don't have to strip everything to it's bare bones..it became an ideological thing...and it didn't even work.

[zahidf]

2 minutes ago, Neil said:

the stealing had already happened via the financial crisis, austerity was about how far that would affect individuals (via a bigger crisis, the bigger crisis the economy & country would have had if spending had continued at those levels)

And how brilliant the country is now after all that austerity!

 

The right wingers are happy causing economic crisis for Brexit and unfunded tax cuts for their rich mates. Austerity was ideological