UK Politics

[steviewevie]

Tory manifesto tomorrow..massive tax giveaway which will get everyone on board and they'll win the election and the ifs and God will laugh their cocks off.

[Nobody Interesting]

13 hours ago, pink_triangle said:

To me that triage is important , some people need to see a GP and some don’t. If everyone who wants to see a GP is given that opportunity, it means people who are in more clinical need wait longer for their reviews.

I agree totally and it works, it is just the taking down of the online form when they are 'too busy' that gets me cos tjhat means people who need to see the GP don't get to see the GP

[LJS]

13 hours ago, pink_triangle said:

To me that triage is important , some people need to see a GP and some don’t. If everyone who wants to see a GP is given that opportunity, it means people who are in more clinical need wait longer for their reviews.

 

What the Libdem manifesto actually says:

[Nobody Interesting]

Labour seem to think everyone has spare time and is happy to just work longer....... receptionists, dental nurses, hygenists and the dentists themselves................................ perhaps they don't want to work evenings and weekends.

 

Labour has promised to create 100,000 extra dental appointments for children, in a bid to clear backlogs in England.

The new appointments will be for urgent and emergency care and on evenings and weekends, according to Labour's plan if they win the general election.

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/crgglpvze3no

[steviewevie]

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[zahidf]

4 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

Tories suggesting they'll come third in the election! Amazing

[Nobody Interesting]

20 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

 

Tories will be calling for PR after that result shouting how unfair FPTP is.

[Kurosagi]

I love a good graphic. This is based on Sam Freedman's current seat predictions in the South East:

[steviewevie]

err...ok..

 

[steviewevie]

 

[Kurosagi]

Politics Live was good yesterday lunchtime, there was lots of talk about the fallout from the EU election combined with chat about what Farage's end game is: alliance with or takeover of the tory party?

 

They had Naomi Klein on who usefully pointed out that history shows when centre right parties make alliances with the far right then fascism is round the corner. Actually I'm doing her argument a disservice as the wider context was criticism of the Labour party pushing the Overton window to the right to secure power as that leads to the splintering of the existing right which inevitably leads to alliances with the far right to gain power again.

 

Anyway, the discussion was more interesting than my mangling of the arguments is making it sound.

[fraybentos1]

5 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

 

Even if they end up a couple points behind the SNP they'll still probs win more seats as Labour's vote is more concentrated in the central belt where a lot of seats are.

 

Also on the assumption that the Tories hold most of their seats which I think they will (despite being unpopular)

[steviewevie]

Tories to cut NI by 2% by 2027, and will abolish when financial conditions allow.

[Kurosagi]

SNP seem a busted flush at the moment: financially broke, corruption investigations, no real independence strategy and an alliance with the greens that *really* seems to have pissed off voters.

[steviewevie]

4 minutes ago, Kurosagi said:

Politics Live was good yesterday lunchtime, there was lots of talk about the fallout from the EU election combined with chat about what Farage's end game is: alliance with or takeover of the tory party?

 

They had Naomi Klein on who usefully pointed out that history shows when centre right parties make alliances with the far right then fascism is round the corner. Actually I'm doing her argument a disservice as the wider context was criticism of the Labour party pushing the Overton window to the right to secure power as that leads to the splintering of the existing right which inevitably leads to alliances with the far right to gain power again.

 

Anyway, the discussion was more interesting than my mangling of the arguments is making it sound.

At this point the centre/liberals/left need to work together to keep the far right out of power, home and abroad...not f**k up like they have in the past.

[Kurosagi]

1 minute ago, steviewevie said:

Tories to cut NI by 2% by 2027, and will abolish when financial conditions allow.

 

Was it someone on here who made the comment about how it was in the tory interest to abolish NI as it helps break the psychological contract that everyone pays for the NHS and so makes it easier to then push for greater privatisation.

 

If Streeting gets his way then it's likely that both Blair and Starmer Labour governments will have been responsible for a level of NHS privatisation undreamt of by Thatcher.

[steviewevie]

Just now, Kurosagi said:

 

Was it someone on here who made the comment about how it was in the tory interest to abolish NI as it helps break the psychological contract that everyone pays for the NHS and so makes it easier to then push for greater privatisation.

 

If Streeting gets his way then it's likely that both Blair and Starmer Labour governments will have been responsible for a level of NHS privatisation undreamt of by Thatcher.

 

Maybe. 

Or they just see it as an unfair tax on working people and a popular one to cut.

But yeah, that bloody Streeting w*nker.

[steviewevie]

9 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

Tories to cut NI by 2% by 2027, and will abolish when financial conditions allow.

they're going to raise £12bn through welfare cuts.

🤔

[Kurosagi]

2 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

At this point the centre/liberals/left need to work together to keep the far right out of power, home and abroad...not f**k up like they have in the past.

 

The message from the debate is that you don't do that by 'stealing' the centre right ground unless you're ready for the pendulum to swing even stronger in the other direction. They were using Scholz as the example with what's now happened in germany with the rise of AFD and the large proportion of 18-24s voting for them.

 

Can easily see something similar happening here during the next parliament life span if the Labour landslide is as large as predicted and if Starmer/Reeves sticks to austerity 2.0 and if Farage gets his seat and then has a daily platform to stir things up in a populist style. Lots of ifs though in that sentence.

[steviewevie]

[fraybentos1]

7 minutes ago, Kurosagi said:

t to abolish NI as it helps break the psychological contract that everyone pays for the NHS

Everyone does pay for the NHS but the idea that NI funds Welfare, pensions and the NHS as it is sometimes implied is obviously nonsense. It's essentially just another income tax now. I think the whole tax system needs to be simplified massively in the UK (especially in scotland)

[steviewevie]

Just now, Kurosagi said:

 

The message from the debate is that you don't do that by 'stealing' the centre right ground unless you're ready for the pendulum to swing even stronger in the other direction. They were using Scholz as the example with what's now happened in germany with the rise of AFD and the large proportion of 18-24s voting for them.

 

Can easily see something similar happening here during the next parliament life span if the Labour landslide is as large as predicted and if Starmer/Reeves sticks to austerity 2.0 and if Farage gets his seat and then has a daily platform to stir things up in a populist style. Lots of ifs though in that sentence.

Ok, and yes the rise of AfD is worrying as they are particularly nutty, but they didn't do as well as some feared a year or two ago, the centre right christian democrat lot won by some distance.  But yes Scholz has not done well, nor has Biden, and they're sort of on same page as Starmer, so there are warning signs. What is worrying is the normalisation of the far right, as the centre right try to absorb their ideas and support.

[steviewevie]

Nothing on inheritance tax or ECHR in manifesto...that will piss off the right of the party.