UK Politics

[lost]

Yanis Varoufakis was on daily politics only this lunch time taking about economics.

[UEF]

6 hours ago, Kurosagi said:

Okay, so maybe not as low as 1918:

 

 

So the record turnout was set when... the UK public turned out to vote Winston Churchill out after World War 2.

 

 

[steviewevie]

problem for the left is all they want to talk about is economics which is sooooo boring.

Immigration is where it's at.

[steviewevie]

 

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[mattiloy]

42 minutes ago, lost said:

Yanis Varoufakis was on daily politics only this lunch time taking about economics.

An indigo bunting popped up in south tyneside a few weeks ago.
 

 

10 hours ago, steviewevie said:

 

[steviewevie]

 

[lost]

34 minutes ago, mattiloy said:

An indigo bunting popped up in south tyneside a few weeks ago.
 

 

 

 

Different program though. Daily politics tend to give people like him / Novara media a turn. The lady from the canary had a few appearances too before she started running weird articles about israel. The guy off Novara media is also on GB news and thats before we get into the Internet where there is a podcast for any political discourse your into.

[steviewevie]

[steviewevie]

Tells it how it is

 

Edited June 17 by steviewevie

[Neil]

3 hours ago, lost said:

Yanis Varoufakis was on daily politics only this lunch time taking about economics.

he knows f**k all about economics?

[steviewevie]

14 minutes ago, Neil said:

he knows f**k all about economics?

Think he might know a bit...

[pink_triangle]

5 hours ago, mattiloy said:

 

They dont.
 

The right wing (including the Labour right) peddle this myth to discredit the left. The trans debate and the middle east debate takes up about as much space on the left as it does for the rest of the political sphere. The problem is, the only time a left winger is invited to give their opinion on something it is often one of those two issues. Because their opponents are safe in the knowledge that the average voter doesnt sympathise with their position.

 

The right wing dont want to debate the left on economics. They dont want voters to hear the left wing talk about economics. Because everytime they do, voters understand that there is a lot of truth in what they say - that the system is rigged, quality of life is slowly deteriorating and the political system is a thin veil of democracy that exists mainly to shore up the broken system. So you never hear from the left on economics, unless you actively seek out left wing publications - a few periodic mail order magazines like the tribune and a few online sources of various quality scratching around for funds.

I would say Owen Jones is the most high profile left commentator and he talks abou nothing but Middle East politics and hating Starmer. The reality is the average voter isn’t going to seek out publivations, so the left need to find someone who can get a message through to the mainstream. Of the mainstreamish left voices I like Andrew Fisher, but he isn’t particularly charismatic.

[steviewevie]

[LJS]

10 hours ago, lazyred said:

Do you really believe this will be the case after 5 years? The first year or even 2 years will be tough but after 5 years there will be improvements.

 

Labour's language is disguising their policies. They are campaigning against Corbyn as much as the Tories and wrapping themselves in the flag but they are proposing a traditional Labour Govt.

 

The New Statesman thinks Starmer's Labour is to the left of Blair and Milliband

https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2024/06/labours-manifesto-is-quietly-radical?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email

 

 

I'm not entirely sure that the article says what you claim. It does say...

 

"Yet Starmer and Reeves insist repeatedly that “there will be no return to austerity”. To keep this promise, Labour will almost certainly need to raise taxes by more than stated. Focus not only on what is in the manifesto but what isn’t:"

 

It seems to me that many leftish-leaning Labour supporters are relying on the hope that Labour's manifesto isnt telling the whole truth.

Edited June 17 by LJS

[LJS]

cometh the hour..

[LJS]

[steviewevie]

8 hours ago, LJS said:

I'm not entirely sure that the article says what you claim. It does say...

 

"Yet Starmer and Reeves insist repeatedly that “there will be no return to austerity”. To keep this promise, Labour will almost certainly need to raise taxes by more than stated. Focus not only on what is in the manifesto but what isn’t:"

 

It seems to me that many leftish-leaning Labour supporters are relying on the hope that Labour's manifesto isnt telling the whole truth.

They won't need to raise taxes because they're going to grow the economy starting July 5th.

Please keep up.

[LJS]

33 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

They won't need to raise taxes because they're going to grow the economy starting July 5th.

Please keep up.

 

 

Opinion

 

The Guardian view on Labour’s plan for growth: the missing ingredient is clearly demand

Editorial

 

The UK can’t continue with policies that have produced a productivity slump and record amounts of insecure work

 

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/article/2024/jun/17/the-guardian-view-on-labours-plan-for-growth-the-missing-ingredient-is-clearly-demand

[steviewevie]

19 minutes ago, LJS said:

 

 

 

 

Opinion

 

The Guardian view on Labour’s plan for growth: the missing ingredient is clearly demand

Editorial

 

 

The UK can’t continue with policies that have produced a productivity slump and record amounts of insecure work

 

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/article/2024/jun/17/the-guardian-view-on-labours-plan-for-growth-the-missing-ingredient-is-clearly-demand

Pah, doomster experts.

[Nobody Interesting]

24 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

Pah, doomster experts.

 

To boost growth what will you and your family go and buy/invest in after the election that you would not have done if there was no election?

[steviewevie]

18 minutes ago, Nobody Interesting said:

 

To boost growth what will you and your family go and buy/invest in after the election that you would not have done if there was no election?

eh?

An extra beer maybe I guess.

[steviewevie]

Labour's strategy for growth seem to be an industrial policy - wealth fund and green stuff etc, and planning reform so easier to build houses etc. Will it lead to more growth, it might. That is what they hope. Obviously everything needs investing in, but the idea is growth will mean more tax and more money to spend on schools/hospitals/transport/prisons/town centres etc etc. Main problem is they don't know if going to get much growth, and it won't be immediate anyway, it's the short term that everyone is wondering where the cash is going to come from if they're not going to cut spending, not going to raise taxes, and stick to their fiscal rules.

[steviewevie]

I guess if they want to boost demand they could cut taxes.

[Nobody Interesting]

20 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

eh?

An extra beer maybe I guess.

 

Same here and same with most people I know so quite how this growth is coming I really do not know - unless the growth is all from businesses increasing profits.