UK Politics

[lazyred]

Blur's drummer in with a chance. it shows how tight some of these seats are

 

 

[steviewevie]

2 minutes ago, lazyred said:

I'd hope the net zero stuff will become less of an issue once we start making the changes. But it will cost a lot to subsidse the transition.

The problem with immigration is we need it for growth but have to reduce it for politics.

I meant net zero immigration, one in one out etc.

But yes Reform want to bin the actual net zero carbon thingy too.

[steviewevie]

2 minutes ago, lost said:

 

We are though, aren't taxes the highest they've been in 80 years? Are public services the best they've been in 80 years?

covid and aging population innit.

[steviewevie]

Just now, steviewevie said:

covid and aging population innit.

plus...no growth...can't rely on housing market anymore...years of underspending...something has to give,

[lost]

Just now, steviewevie said:

covid and aging population innit.

 

Yep but thats the issue isn't it. If people think taxes are going to go up and the money disapears into a black hole with nothing getting better they won't support taxes going up.

[steviewevie]

3 minutes ago, lost said:

 

Yep but thats the issue isn't it. If people think taxes are going to go up and the money disapears into a black hole with nothing getting better they won't support taxes going up.

well yeah...so someone needs to be honest with the public of where we're at and the choices we have.

[lazyred]

15 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

Be interesting to see how many seats Reform get off what percentage of the vote. The election will really be making the case for PR.

I wonder if there are Shy Reform voters and their real vote share is higher than the polls

[steviewevie]

Just now, lazyred said:

I wonder if there are Shy Reform voters and their real vote share is higher than the polls

I wouldn't be surprised.

I wonder if there are shy labour voters too?!

[steviewevie]

[lost]

reform tik tok is crazy:

 

 

[steviewevie]

27 minutes ago, lost said:

reform tik tok is crazy:

 

 

not at all a narcissist

[steviewevie]

bodes well

[mattiloy]

[steviewevie]

35 minutes ago, mattiloy said:

 

Corbyn's hardly in the news anymore. What's there not to like?

[steviewevie]

Starmer polling much better than Corbyn in 2019, less than Corbyn in 2017.

 

Does show that unless Starmer does really well in office he might not last that long. 

And whilst starmer haters might cheer, what happens after could be a bit sh*t.

[steviewevie]

And whilst Starmer has indeed been lucky with Johnson and partygate, Truss and her budget, Sunak and his shitness, SNP dodginess, inflation and cost of living etc..it isn't all luck. It was considered almost impossible for them to win the next election back in 2019, Starmer was seen as another Kinnock, an interim leader carrying them in opposition, and here we are with it looking like a landslide. What he has shown is a ruthless steeliness in pursuit of power, a lot of this probably actually coming from Morgan McSweeney than Starmer himself. They have been smart with how to win in places where they need to win. How they will do in power is another thing, the task is massive, and there is not a lot of love or trust out there so someone like Farage could easily come along and mop up all the disillusioned voters with the Greens further eroding labour support from the left. 

Edited July 3 by steviewevie

[steviewevie]

Frankly it is a sh*t time to be in government, there isn't much to look forward to, it is hard to be optimistic, not sure why anyone would want to do it. We will try and get to net zero which is going to mean some very difficult decisions and sacrifices and maybe a lower quality of life to try and prevent total catastrophe for our grandkids and instead keep it to just really really bad.

[steviewevie]

 

[fraybentos1]

16 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

And whilst Starmer has indeed been lucky with Johnson and partygate, Truss and her budget, Sunak and his shitness, SNP dodginess, inflation and cost of living etc..it isn't all luck. It was considered almost impossible for them to win the next election back in 2019, Starmer was seen as another Kinnock, an interim leader carrying them in opposition, and here we are with it looking like a landslide. What he has shown is a ruthless steeliness in pursuit of power, a lot of this probably actually coming from Morgan McSweeney than Starmer himself. They have been smart with how to win in places where they need to win. How they will do in power is another thing, the task is massive, and there is not a lot of love or trust out there so someone like Farage could easily come along and mop up all the disillusioned voters with the Greens further eroding labour support from the left. 

I think this sums it up fairly well. It is clear that Labour's honeymoon period is going to be very short. A lot depends on if the Tories get their act together or take a decade to squabble before then getting a grip.

[steviewevie]

 

[mattiloy]

47 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

And whilst Starmer has indeed been lucky with Johnson and partygate, Truss and her budget, Sunak and his shitness, SNP dodginess, inflation and cost of living etc..it isn't all luck. It was considered almost impossible for them to win the next election back in 2019, Starmer was seen as another Kinnock, an interim leader carrying them in opposition, and here we are with it looking like a landslide. What he has shown is a ruthless steeliness in pursuit of power, a lot of this probably actually coming from Morgan McSweeney than Starmer himself. They have been smart with how to win in places where they need to win. How they will do in power is another thing, the task is massive, and there is not a lot of love or trust out there so someone like Farage could easily come along and mop up all the disillusioned voters with the Greens further eroding labour support from the left. 

 

Its all luck. McSweeney’s last turn i  british politics pre Starmer was heading up Liz Kendall’s campaign in the 2015 where she got a big old 4%.

 

Now winning when its an open goal and making your employer and his team universally disliked before they even get into power hardly makes him svengali.

[steviewevie]

5 minutes ago, mattiloy said:

 

Its all luck. McSweeney’s last turn i  british politics pre Starmer was heading up Liz Kendall’s campaign in the 2015 where she got a big old 4%.

 

Now winning when its an open goal and making your employer and his team universally disliked before they even get into power hardly makes him svengali.

it really isn't just luck, although I agree that is definitely a big part of it. I know as a starmer hater you will always have this to console yourself with, but it isn't true. They have had to work at persuading all those red wall voters they lost to the tories in 2019 along with a whole load of tory voters in other areas that they can vote for labour, and at same time keep traditional labour voters on board.

There are hardly any popular politicians out there...cynicism and distrust is high.

 

[steviewevie]

It's easy to say it is all just luck and any other leader would have done the same or better, it happened also with Corbyn...people who argue that any other leader could have won that election in 2017. Easy to say, and impossible to prove.

[steviewevie]

Not another one.

 

When Labour win with a majority of just a 100 it will be seen as a massive Tory win.

[lazyred]

1 hour ago, steviewevie said:

And whilst Starmer has indeed been lucky with Johnson and partygate, Truss and her budget, Sunak and his shitness, SNP dodginess, inflation and cost of living etc..it isn't all luck. It was considered almost impossible for them to win the next election back in 2019, Starmer was seen as another Kinnock, an interim leader carrying them in opposition, and here we are with it looking like a landslide. What he has shown is a ruthless steeliness in pursuit of power, a lot of this probably actually coming from Morgan McSweeney than Starmer himself. They have been smart with how to win in places where they need to win. How they will do in power is another thing, the task is massive, and there is not a lot of love or trust out there so someone like Farage could easily come along and mop up all the disillusioned voters with the Greens further eroding labour support from the left. 

Spot on. Labour need a record swing to get a majority of 1. The Tory vote has collapsed because people aren't scared of Labour.