International Politics

[kaosmark2]

10 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

why families? These pagers were given to Hezbollah to communicate with each other because mobile phones could be tracked.

and where do you get virtually all injured were civilians from?

oh, I'd seen the line "mostly civilians" on the guardian earlier.

[steviewevie]

2 minutes ago, kaosmark2 said:

oh, I'd seen the line "mostly civilians" on the guardian earlier.

yeah, I expect some civilians injured...but these were pagers used by Hezbollah for security reasons...most ordinary civilians wouldn't be using pagers. There are a lot of Hezbollah, so not surprised casualty number is so high, and the two kids killed were children of Hezbollah.  But, like Hamas, not all Hezbollah are necessarily fighters, and they have family who might have pagers, and they would have been in public places...so...

The injuries sound grim, loss of eyes and limbs etc.

 

The big worry is further escalation, but Israel seem to want that.

[steviewevie]

apparently the plan was to detonate these as part of an all out offensive against Hezbollah...but they went early because Hezbollah had just become aware of it.

[steviewevie]

Now walkie talkies blowing up.

Blimey.

[steviewevie]

and now Israel saying they are going to focus on the north....so not sure what that means for Gaza, and what that means for Lebanon.

[Crazyfool01]

Next level scary sh*t this . What’s it gonna take for America to stop exporting them arms … and us for that matter not that us makes any difference . 

[doogie]

1 hour ago, Crazyfool01 said:

Next level scary sh*t this . What’s it gonna take for America to stop exporting them arms … and us for that matter not that us makes any difference . 

 

What it takes is for Iran, Hamas, Hezbollah and the rest of them to recognise and make peace with Israel like Egypt, Jordan and others have.

 

Can't see it happening any time soon though.

[steviewevie]

9 minutes ago, doogie said:

 

What it takes is for Iran, Hamas, Hezbollah and the rest of them to recognise and make peace with Israel like Egypt, Jordan and others have.

 

Can't see it happening any time soon though.

Especially when Israel keeps blowing them up

[Crazyfool01]

13 minutes ago, doogie said:

 

What it takes is for Iran, Hamas, Hezbollah and the rest of them to recognise and make peace with Israel like Egypt, Jordan and others have.

 

Can't see it happening any time soon though.

nah it needs the removal of Netanyahu .. 

[doogie]

25 minutes ago, Crazyfool01 said:

nah it needs the removal of Netanyahu .. 

Netanyahu will probably lose the next election whenever it comes, and it won't make any difference.

 

It's Iran and its proxies that are the biggest barrier to peace in the region.

 

 

Edited September 18 by doogie

[steviewevie]

11 hours ago, doogie said:

Netanyahu will probably lose the next election whenever it comes, and it won't make any difference.

 

It's Iran and its proxies that are the biggest barrier to peace in the region.

 

 

First thing that needs to happen is a ceasefire in Gaza..and then somehow from there negotiations for a future for that region needs to start, with all sides taking part. That's what needs to happen, but looks impossible at moment.

[steviewevie]

Big difference between Lebanon and Gaza is Lebanese can actually escape, Gazans can't.

[steviewevie]

Someone needs to kick out Netanyahu. There will never be peace with him in charge.

[steviewevie]

 

[stuie]

10 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

 

 

 

Fair play to him.  People have mysteriously fallen out of high rise windows for saying a lot less. 

[charlierc]

Anyone else just getting a bleak feeling look at the UN summit with the paralysis it seems to be in over things like Israel, Ukraine, Sudan, climate change and all the rest?

[Crazyfool01]

29 minutes ago, charlierc said:

Anyone else just getting a bleak feeling look at the UN summit with the paralysis it seems to be in over things like Israel, Ukraine, Sudan, climate change and all the rest?

climate stuff really worrying tbh with amount of denial out there .... and comments about councils not cleaning drains as some kind of  reason we arent screwed .... but there the stalemate elsewhere and the bombing  the sh*t out of others is. pretty grim too . At least the trump thing seems. to be heading in the right direction but who knows what conflict that might create in the US . thought id feel better about things in the UK post election but tory press and algorithms putting pay to that 

[kaosmark2]

11 minutes ago, Crazyfool01 said:

algorithms 

I've logged out of and deactivated my twitter account finally. Losing the block function doing any real amount was the final straw. It's a bit weird and I realise how much I casually scroll onto it, but I'm feeling a lot better for it and there's really nothing noteworthy I'm missing out on.

[charlierc]

10 minutes ago, kaosmark2 said:

I've logged out of and deactivated my twitter account finally. Losing the block function doing any real amount was the final straw. It's a bit weird and I realise how much I casually scroll onto it, but I'm feeling a lot better for it and there's really nothing noteworthy I'm missing out on.

I'm surprised the scale of people leaving that sinking ship hasn't got worse just yet. It's just such a worse place to use in the age of Musk.

 

Though I'm yet to delete it so maybe I'm part of the problem here.

Edited yesterday at 08:22 PM by charlierc

[steviewevie]

1 hour ago, charlierc said:

Anyone else just getting a bleak feeling look at the UN summit with the paralysis it seems to be in over things like Israel, Ukraine, Sudan, climate change and all the rest?

When has the UN had any impact on anything?

[steviewevie]

Suddenly everyone is confident of a ceasefire deal between Israel and Hezbollah. We'll see....

[kaosmark2]

12 hours ago, charlierc said:

I'm surprised the scale of people leaving that sinking ship hasn't got worse just yet. It's just such a worse place to use in the age of Musk.

 

Though I'm yet to delete it so maybe I'm part of the problem here.

Half a dozen of my more online friends had already stopped using it.

 

The main reason I'd kept up with it was for cricket banter (and to a lesser extent football). I haven't found another place where I can easily read a bunch of jokes about cricket, without it being overwhelmed by either old blowhards hating the modern game or idiotic Indian fans bum-licking Kohli.

 

Enough of the interesting journalists/political commentators etc. have moved to bluesky that I'm comfortable getting any fix for that over there.

 

3 hours ago, steviewevie said:

Suddenly everyone is confident of a ceasefire deal between Israel and Hezbollah. We'll see....

 

What????

[steviewevie]

4 minutes ago, kaosmark2 said:

What????

Already falling apart 

[kaosmark2]

14 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

Already falling apart 

Lemme guess, Netanyahu saying "nah those brown people are terrorists and we want to extinguish them like the animals I will describe them as, but we're not committing genocide, honest"

[steviewevie]

20 minutes ago, kaosmark2 said:

Lemme guess, Netanyahu saying "nah those brown people are terrorists and we want to extinguish them like the animals I will describe them as, but we're not committing genocide, honest"

something like that.

and actually Hezbollah weren't even involved so maybe wasn't going anywhere.

Israel want to move people back to evacuated towns in north, Hezbollah keep firing missiles, Israel trying to bomb where Hezbollah fire missiles, Hezbollah fire more missiles. It could escalate and become a land war, but maybe both sides don't want that. As ever the main issue is a ceasefire in Gaza, which isn't happening this side of a US election, if ever.