International Politics

[steviewevie]

22 minutes ago, gizmoman said:

Hamas still have hostages so why would Keir now want a ceasefire when he didn't previously?

he's called for a "sustainable" ceasefire for a while.

But they just won't listen to him.

Edited February 11 by steviewevie

[steviewevie]

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[Neil]

40 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

he's called for a "sustainable" ceasefire for a while.

But they just won't listen to him.

A sustainable ceasefire requires hamas to stop being c**ts. How many people calling for a ceasefire include that as necessary  part of things.

[Neil]

On 2/10/2024 at 1:45 PM, steviewevie said:

god knows. I guess a multilateral force led by US to go into Gaza and directly intervene to allow aid to get through etc. Won't happen of course, but should. 

fighting the Israeli's won't be a good look for any military force.

[steviewevie]

8 hours ago, Neil said:

fighting the Israeli's won't be a good look for any military force.

well no...wouldn't be a great look for the Israelis to be fighting US/UN forces either.

[Neil]

16 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

well no...wouldn't be a great look for the Israelis to be fighting US/UN forces either.

neither of those forces are going in.

[steviewevie]

1 hour ago, Neil said:

neither of those forces are going in.

no, probably not...but you wonder how bad it needs to get...

[steviewevie]

further complicated by these hostages and now IDF have managed to rescue two of them...

[Skip997]

5 hours ago, steviewevie said:

no, probably not...but you wonder how bad it needs to get...

It's already worse than that

Are people still questioning

[Neil]

38 minutes ago, Skip997 said:

It's already worse than that

Are people still questioning

are people still claiming the Israeli's aim to clear Gaza??

[steviewevie]

2 hours ago, Neil said:

are people still claiming the Israeli's aim to clear Gaza??

that is kind of what they're doing. Nearly 30k dead now, most buildings and infrastructure destroyed. Limited aid. 

btw - didn't you have a friend there? You heard from them?

[Neil]

4 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

that is kind of what they're doing. Nearly 30k dead now, most buildings and infrastructure destroyed. Limited aid. 

btw - didn't you have a friend there? You heard from them?

if the aim was to drive them into Egypt they're not doing very well after 4 months of trying, the Israeli army used to be much more effective.

[steviewevie]

37 minutes ago, Neil said:

if the aim was to drive them into Egypt they're not doing very well after 4 months of trying, the Israeli army used to be much more effective.

that is down to Egypt not opening it's borders...Israel are just killing them all.

[steviewevie]

Apparently Sleepy Joe called Netanyahu a f**king c**t.

I hope it was Netanyahu and not Starmer, he does make mistakes after all.

[Skip997]

2 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

Apparently Sleepy Joe called Netanyahu a f**king c**t.

I hope it was Netanyahu and not Starmer, he does make mistakes after all.

Well he's not wrong

[kaosmark2]

From https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2024/feb/13/middle-east-crisis-live-updates-israel-gaza-ceasefire-deal-truce-agreement-joe-biden-prevent-rafah-offensive-latest-update-news

UN would not cooperate with any forced Rafah evacuation

The UN humanitarian office has not received any communication from Israel of a plan to evacuate Gaza's Rafah area either alone or jointly and would not participate in any forced evacuation even if it did, a spokesperson told Reuters on Tuesday.

"We have not received any official communication from Israeli officials," Jens Laerke, spokesperson for OCHA said in response to Reuters questions about Rafah plans. "Regardless, the UN does not participate in forced, non-voluntary evacuations. There is no plan at this time to facilitate the evacuation of civilians," he said.

[Skip997]

Pressure is building

But sadly the reality is that no one will actually do anything

 

[kaosmark2]

Yeah, it's nowhere near enough pressure yet, and isn't going to stop the genocide, but at least the West are actually calling things war crimes and trying to stop Israel continuing to escalate.

[Skip997]

Israel Gaza: Biden says Israel must protect vulnerable in Rafah

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The package includes $60bn for Kyiv, $14bn for Israel's war against Hamas and $10bn for humanitarian aid in conflict zones, including in Gaza.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-68284380

 

[steviewevie]

 

[steviewevie]

6 minutes ago, Skip997 said:

Israel Gaza: Biden says Israel must protect vulnerable in Rafah

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-68284380

 

The package would also provide $9.15bn in humanitarian assistance to civilians in Gaza and the West Bank, Ukraine and other conflict zones around the globe.

[Skip997]

Just now, steviewevie said:

The package would also provide $9.15bn in humanitarian assistance to civilians in Gaza and the West Bank, Ukraine and other conflict zones around the globe.

Totally weird nonsense

Provide the means to slaughter 10 of 1000's of innocents with one hand and aid them with the other

Problem is that the Israeli's won't allow the aid in anyway

[kaosmark2]

Cameron being reasonable and talking sense is something that deeply unnerves me.

[steviewevie]

2 hours ago, kaosmark2 said:

Cameron being reasonable and talking sense is something that deeply unnerves me.

his legacy will be peace in the middle east.

[Skip997]

assault that is unparalleled in its intensity, brutality and scope