Skip997 Posted January 27 Report Share Posted January 27 https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jan/06/climate-crisis-wreaking-havoc-on-earths-water-cycle-report-finds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviewevie Posted January 27 Report Share Posted January 27 This deepseek AI could be a lot better for the climate than those gas guzzling US AI chip. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviewevie Posted January 31 Report Share Posted January 31 per capita carbon emissions in UK...back to 1859 levels Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviewevie Posted January 31 Report Share Posted January 31 unfortunately the capita has gone up so much... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattiloy Posted February 1 Report Share Posted February 1 On 1/31/2025 at 9:44 AM, steviewevie said: unfortunately the capita has gone up so much... Expand Also probs not true. Since we just import all our sh*t and then don’t count the emissions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattiloy Posted February 1 Report Share Posted February 1 Here’s a much scarier graph. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviewevie Posted February 1 Report Share Posted February 1 On 2/1/2025 at 12:17 AM, mattiloy said: Also probs not true. Since we just import all our sh*t and then don’t count the emissions. Expand you don't think our population has increased? Last few decades yes a lot of our heavy industry has closed down and it all comes from China, plus they closed the mines...good work Maggie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviewevie Posted February 1 Report Share Posted February 1 Could the UK actually get colder with global warming? - BBC News Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaosmark2 Posted February 1 Report Share Posted February 1 On 2/1/2025 at 6:54 AM, steviewevie said: you don't think our population has increased? Last few decades yes a lot of our heavy industry has closed down and it all comes from China, plus they closed the mines...good work Maggie. Expand I'm pretty critical of the concept of "carbon neutral" and "carbon offsetting" but I would say that UK's carbon output has gone down despite the population going up. And we are one of the few countries that burn zero coal now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skip997 Posted February 1 Report Share Posted February 1 On 2/1/2025 at 12:28 PM, kaosmark2 said: I'm pretty critical of the concept of "carbon neutral" and "carbon offsetting" but I would say that UK's carbon output has gone down despite the population going up. And we are one of the few countries that burn zero coal now. Expand Based on our carbon emissions “in country” yes. But if we include our “hidden emissions” from all the manufacturers that produce our goods abroad, mainly China, then what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Interesting Posted February 1 Report Share Posted February 1 On 2/1/2025 at 12:28 PM, kaosmark2 said: I'm pretty critical of the concept of "carbon neutral" and "carbon offsetting" but I would say that UK's carbon output has gone down despite the population going up. And we are one of the few countries that burn zero coal now. Expand On 2/1/2025 at 4:08 PM, Skip997 said: Based on our carbon emissions “in country” yes. But if we include our “hidden emissions” from all the manufacturers that produce our goods abroad, mainly China, then what? Expand Carbon Neutral, offsetting, net zero etc are all rubbish meaningless slogans and yes if you include those other hidden things then nobody is ever going to be close anyway - and food is not included in many calculations thus meaning those are totally pointless. In Kenya there is a forested area that has been 'sold' for Carbon Credits. It has already been sold 3 times and so has offset three different companies CO2 already and yet will soon do a 4th - and it existed anyway so them 'buying' it is again utterly meaningless. The only thing that will make Climate Change slow is science, and science will need to make it cheap and easy else governments will find reasons why not. I have been active in the area for far far too long trying to get messages across and have now got to where I really cannot be bothered cos few listening and with tRump around many more will now stop - and the UK government despite all their cosy words seems to care about one thing and one thing anly and will get around their rules to allow things that will make matters worse. 2024 was the higest CO2 release year on record globally. What the f**k is the point? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kerplunk Posted February 1 Report Share Posted February 1 (edited) "Because China imports" Truisms aren't always true. Surprisingly imports from Europe and Rest of World (except USA) dwarf China imports. https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/uks-carbon-footprint/carbon-footprint-for-the-uk-and-england-to-2019 Edited February 1 by kerplunk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlierc Posted February 1 Report Share Posted February 1 On 1/20/2025 at 7:41 PM, tarw said: If AI really going to be used to try to solve the climate crisis surely it will just shut itself down to save the planet and hopefully take down all of the fossil fuel power plants before it does so. You can only live in hope Expand So what Keanu does in the Day The Earth Stood Still reboot then - switch off all electronics. Would make it harder to debate the merits of that as a policy on a place like this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skip997 Posted February 1 Report Share Posted February 1 On 2/1/2025 at 4:27 PM, Nobody Interesting said: What the f**k is the point? Expand Exactly No one with any clout really cares and TBH very few people of any type really care. I’ve given up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviewevie Posted February 1 Report Share Posted February 1 Yeah me too. May as well enjoy it while it lasts I reckon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviewevie Posted February 1 Report Share Posted February 1 Just put the thermostat up a couple of degrees and ordered some crap I don't need from amazon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kerplunk Posted February 1 Report Share Posted February 1 Here's the latest figures for UK consumption including imports (that aren't counted allegedly) https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/66431758bd01f5ed32793a2c/UK_consumption_account_methodology.pdf 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviewevie Posted February 1 Report Share Posted February 1 On 2/1/2025 at 7:37 PM, kerplunk said: Here's the latest figures for UK consumption including imports (that aren't counted allegedly) https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/66431758bd01f5ed32793a2c/UK_consumption_account_methodology.pdf Expand We need more years like 2020. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviewevie Posted February 2 Report Share Posted February 2 On 2/1/2025 at 4:39 PM, kerplunk said: "Because China imports" Truisms aren't always true. Surprisingly imports from Europe and Rest of World (except USA) dwarf China imports. https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/uks-carbon-footprint/carbon-footprint-for-the-uk-and-england-to-2019 Expand Imports from China increased significantly since 90s though...and a lot of imports from all over the place will be full of by products or components that came from China....plus Europe/RoW is just everyone else apart from US/China so not surprising bigger...plus all that coal being used in China...etc etc. Interesting that drops in 2016 when we started following US in trading less with China I guess...and where more came from Europe...wonder how that is going now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kerplunk Posted February 2 Report Share Posted February 2 On 2/2/2025 at 7:13 AM, steviewevie said: Imports from China increased significantly since 90s though...and a lot of imports from all over the place will be full of by products or components that came from China....plus Europe/RoW is just everyone else apart from US/China so not surprising bigger...plus all that coal being used in China...etc etc. Interesting that drops in 2016 when we started following US in trading less with China I guess...and where more came from Europe...wonder how that is going now? Expand Yeah I already figured components from other countries (not just China) would be in products from say europe etc but it has to be that way for accounting purposes or there would be double counting embedded in the global data. UK consumption to make products that are exported (some of which will doubtless contain imported components) aren't included for that reason Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviewevie Posted February 4 Report Share Posted February 4 Temperatures at north pole 20C above average and beyond ice melting point | Climate crisis | The Guardian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviewevie Posted February 5 Report Share Posted February 5 The UK has finally committed to carbon capture. But not everyone is happy | Heinrich Böll Stiftung | Brussels office - European Union Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skip997 Posted February 5 Report Share Posted February 5 On 2/5/2025 at 2:15 PM, steviewevie said: The UK has finally committed to carbon capture. But not everyone is happy | Heinrich Böll Stiftung | Brussels office - European Union Expand Would that be the incredibly expensive and inefficient/unproven technology which lets us “cheat”? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviewevie Posted February 5 Report Share Posted February 5 On 2/5/2025 at 6:26 PM, Skip997 said: Would that be the incredibly expensive and inefficient/unproven technology which lets us “cheat”? Expand well...that is an opinion discussed in that... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skip997 Posted February 5 Report Share Posted February 5 On 2/5/2025 at 6:34 PM, steviewevie said: well...that is an opinion discussed in that... Expand Wrote my post before reading the article Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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