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  On 2/1/2025 at 6:54 AM, steviewevie said:

you don't think our population has increased?

Last few decades yes a lot of our heavy industry has closed down and it all comes from China, plus they closed the mines...good work Maggie.

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I'm pretty critical of the concept of "carbon neutral" and "carbon offsetting" but I would say that UK's carbon output has gone down despite the population going up.

 

And we are one of the few countries that burn zero coal now.

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  On 2/1/2025 at 12:28 PM, kaosmark2 said:

I'm pretty critical of the concept of "carbon neutral" and "carbon offsetting" but I would say that UK's carbon output has gone down despite the population going up.

 

And we are one of the few countries that burn zero coal now.

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Based on our carbon emissions “in country” yes. But if we include our “hidden emissions” from all the manufacturers that produce our goods abroad, mainly China, then what?

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  On 2/1/2025 at 12:28 PM, kaosmark2 said:

I'm pretty critical of the concept of "carbon neutral" and "carbon offsetting" but I would say that UK's carbon output has gone down despite the population going up.

 

And we are one of the few countries that burn zero coal now.

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  On 2/1/2025 at 4:08 PM, Skip997 said:

Based on our carbon emissions “in country” yes. But if we include our “hidden emissions” from all the manufacturers that produce our goods abroad, mainly China, then what?

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Carbon Neutral, offsetting, net zero etc are all rubbish meaningless slogans and yes if you include those other hidden things then nobody is ever going to be close anyway - and food is not included in many calculations thus meaning those are totally pointless.

In Kenya there is a forested area that has been 'sold' for Carbon Credits.

It has already been sold 3 times and so has offset three different companies CO2 already and yet will soon do a 4th - and it existed anyway so them 'buying' it is again utterly meaningless.

The only thing that will make Climate Change slow is science, and science will need to make it cheap and easy else governments will find reasons why not.

I have been active in the area for far far too long trying to get messages across and have now got to where I really cannot be bothered cos few listening and with tRump around many more will now stop - and the UK government despite all their cosy words seems to care about one thing and one thing anly and will get around their rules to allow things that will make matters worse.

2024 was the higest CO2 release year on record globally.

What the f**k is the point?

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  On 1/20/2025 at 7:41 PM, tarw said:

If AI really going to be used to try to solve the climate crisis surely it will just shut itself down to save the planet and hopefully take down all of the fossil fuel power plants before it does so. 
You can only live in hope 

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So what Keanu does in the Day The Earth Stood Still reboot then - switch off all electronics.

 

Would make it harder to debate the merits of that as a policy on a place like this.

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  On 2/1/2025 at 4:39 PM, kerplunk said:

"Because China imports"

 

Truisms aren't always true.

 

Surprisingly imports from Europe and Rest of World (except USA) dwarf China imports.

 

 

 

Screenshot2025-02-01at17-34-57CarbonfootprintfortheUKandEnglandto2021-GOV_UK.png.f9a47d88f7673b433c3598cb23a1068d.png

https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/uks-carbon-footprint/carbon-footprint-for-the-uk-and-england-to-2019

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Imports from China increased significantly since 90s though...and a lot of imports from all over the place will be full of by products or components that came from China....plus Europe/RoW is just everyone else apart from US/China so not surprising bigger...plus all that coal being used in China...etc etc. Interesting that drops in 2016 when we started following US in trading less with China I guess...and where more came from Europe...wonder how that is going now?

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  On 2/2/2025 at 7:13 AM, steviewevie said:

Imports from China increased significantly since 90s though...and a lot of imports from all over the place will be full of by products or components that came from China....plus Europe/RoW is just everyone else apart from US/China so not surprising bigger...plus all that coal being used in China...etc etc. Interesting that drops in 2016 when we started following US in trading less with China I guess...and where more came from Europe...wonder how that is going now?

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Yeah I already figured components from other countries (not just China) would be in products from say europe etc but it has to be that way for accounting purposes or there would be double counting embedded in the global data. UK consumption to make products that are exported (some of which will doubtless contain imported components) aren't included for that reason

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