Oasis

[Suprefan]

3 minutes ago, efcfanwirral said:

14 million people or devices?

devices. Cant really count accounts cause if you have multiples going then they arent any different

[Nobody Interesting]

7 minutes ago, efcfanwirral said:

14 million people or devices?

 

Might even be people as they asked everyone to be logged into their accounts so would know who was logged in where.

I am seeing loads of comments on social media from folks in the USA who were trying or got tickets as well as pretty much every country in Europe.

Bonkers

[Suprefan]

1 hour ago, andyrhodes24 said:

The artist has to agree to it though don’t they, as he been said about a thousand times on here. Hardly held at gunpoint are they. Ticketmaster shouldn’t offer it in the first place but the artist doesn’t need to accept and fleece their own fans i.e. The Cure.

 

its times like these when I look back at 2010 when I was put into a beta testing group for dynamic pricing and platinum tickets for Ticketmaster. They had emailed customers ( I assume ones who went to lots of gigs due to purchase history )  and  we went through multiple scenarios of on sales with different pricing and availability and were able to see how it all worked. Then there was a survey to give input and such. I wrote a lengthy response at the end in the additional comments section warning that this was gonna some bad stuff. And then a year later it began. Time flies.

[Nestacres]

14 minutes ago, efcfanwirral said:

14 million people or devices?

The consensus is 14m people. With only 1.4m tickets available, no real surprise the sites buckled. 

[Suprefan]

4 hours ago, Gnomicide said:

 

I reckon the reason they announced tye extra dates before they all went on sale was to make more from dynamic pricing. Could they try to justify it if they were selling the last tickets at inflated prices only to pout up another shed load at normal prices?

 

i was fully expecting added dates in the middle of the sale and they wouldve been sold fairly easily despite the pricing. I think they missed their window by thinking they could wait for the dust to settle. Now its going to be very interesting whenever theres other Uk dates as to what they do. 

[pink_triangle]

Playing devils advocate but if the dynamic pricing wasn’t there, wouldn’t Oasis have just charged more for the tickets. I guess in one respect this would be more transparent and fairer if everyone pays the same. I however wonder if the current system allows the band to make money they want, while giving the fans a false belief that it isn’t about the band trying to make the money.

[Dales]

3 minutes ago, Suprefan said:

i was fully expecting added dates in the middle of the sale and they wouldve been sold fairly easily despite the pricing. I think they missed their window by thinking they could wait for the dust to settle. Now its going to be very interesting whenever theres other Uk dates as to what they do. 

 

If they do announce additional UK dates including maybe after touring US and Europe, I wonder if they will do a few extra "cheap seats" i.e the back row in the gods at say £50/£60 and make out its for the fans who could not get tickets this time around.

 

I can't see them not have dynamic pricing on future gigs as it just rubs salt in to the wounds of those who paid the higher prices. Plus, the importantthing for them it will eat in to potential profits.

 

I could still see them releasing a small number of very poor quality and cheapish tickets with restricted views and billing it as given something back to the fans. Could even do a draw for all those who entered the ballot and send someof them codes to get the cheap tickets.

[efcfanwirral]

6 minutes ago, pink_triangle said:

Playing devils advocate but if the dynamic pricing wasn’t there, wouldn’t Oasis have just charged more for the tickets. I guess in one respect this would be more transparent and fairer if everyone pays the same. I however wonder if the current system allows the band to make money they want, while giving the fans a false belief that it isn’t about the band trying to make the money.

easier option would be to have more tickets in those "packages" or "hospitality tickets". Nobody would really know how many are in each, and nobody was really complaining about those that much, at least not to the levels of getting bad press. 

[El Matador]

17 hours ago, briddj said:

Manchester fans.. just been told there's an issue and Courteeners now very unlikely to happen. 

Assume the issue is that someone actually listened to some of their songs before booking them 

[pink_triangle]

4 minutes ago, Dales said:

 

 

 

I could still see them releasing a small number of very poor quality and cheapish tickets with restricted views and billing it as given something back to the fans.
 

Could even do a draw for all those who entered the ballot and send someof them codes to get the cheap tickets.

Why bother. The fans that missed out would just be seen as people who would pay too whack another time.

[pink_triangle]

2 minutes ago, efcfanwirral said:

easier option would be to have more tickets in those "packages" or "hospitality tickets". Nobody would really know how many are in each, and nobody was really complaining about those that much, at least not to the levels of getting bad press. 

I don’t see it as real bad press, certainly nothing that will impact on profit. I see it (and suspect the Gallagher brothers do as well) as a social media furore that will be replaced by something else in a week.

[Dales]

5 minutes ago, pink_triangle said:

Playing devils advocate but if the dynamic pricing wasn’t there, wouldn’t Oasis have just charged more for the tickets. I guess in one respect this would be more transparent and fairer if everyone pays the same. I however wonder if the current system allows the band to make money they want, while giving the fans a false belief that it isn’t about the band trying to make the money.

 

I tend to agree and suspect they start with a figure in mind of what they want to make and run scenarios of how to get there. If they set a blanket £200 a ticket price to reach the amount they want, everyone would complain and may would be put off straight away. Ithink they would have been slagged off it all the tickets were very expensive to start with even if that was fairer.

 

I think you need a few lower end tickets to lure in the masses to enter the sale. If everyone knows all the tickets are going to cost a lot, it puts people off bothering to login. 

 

Dynamic pricing only works well if you can get someone on-line and they need to make a quick snap judgement to buy or not. Set all the tickets prices high from the start and you give people to much time to make a sensable judgement. You need to dangle the "cheapish price bait" to catch the bigger fish.

[Suprefan]

18 minutes ago, pink_triangle said:

Playing devils advocate but if the dynamic pricing wasn’t there, wouldn’t Oasis have just charged more for the tickets. I guess in one respect this would be more transparent and fairer if everyone pays the same. I however wonder if the current system allows the band to make money they want, while giving the fans a false belief that it isn’t about the band trying to make the money.

 

Potentially. But the thing is whether they decided to price it from the beginning to get their guarantee and just told them this will get them a little more along with getting around the touts because theyre the ones selling the higher priced tickets and not touts. Thats another way to sell it.

 

Fyi, tomorrow when the exchange opens theres going to be £350 tickets in there for sale. The "face value" part applies to what was paid. Its a very common tactic applied to shows over here. We have seen multiple artists use the face value exchange and it seems the casual fans who are clueless see this as the artist being aware of whats going on. But the thing is the onsales will have dynamic and platinum tickets. Then on the exchange youll see those inflated prices. Nothing changes.

 

If you want another "scam", get a load of "charity platinum tickets". Artists will say that theres tickets which are priced higher and that money goes to charity. So people will buy them. Guess what, nobody knows the percentage that goes to the charity. Lots of acts doing that too. Olivia Rodrigo, Billie Eilish, Noah Kahan. Rage Against The Machine figured out how to turn that around. They said 100% of charity tickets would go to the charity they had specified and it was one eay to combat resellers.

Edited September 1 by Suprefan

[El Matador]

2 hours ago, Dales said:

 

Of course it's the same as selling hotel rooms and flights. You have a set amount of something and you put up the price as your inventory goes down. No one needs to like it but can't see how concert tickets should be treated differently or more importantly, how legislation would/could treat them differently without tackling the practice in general.

 

Every one who got through and could pick tickets had a choice, to pay or not to pay. End of the day they are justconcert tickets and other tickets are available

 

 

Unfortunately this is completely correct. Would be a legal minefield to say that some industries can employ dynamic pricing but others can't. 

 

Sadly expect dynamic pricing to become normalised over the next couple of years for gigs, sporting events etc. 

[Dales]

8 minutes ago, pink_triangle said:

Why bother. The fans that missed out would just be seen as people who would pay too whack another time.

 

I just thought that if they take a kicking with bad press about dynamic pricing, they may want to be seen to do something for the fans without really hitting themselves in the pocket. However, as the idea is to make maximum profit, yeah they might not be that bothered about how it looks to a lot of people.

 

I just thought there PR team might see it as a easy win.

 

 

[snailcheeks]

Did anyone get tickets for the edinburgh dates and notice the standing ticket was called standing rear? Bit odd as the stadium graphic only suggested one standing area. Anyone know if there is any actual real difference? 

[Superscally]

It's lucky that Oasis were the last act good enough to be able to do dynamic pricing. Will die out with them...

[MilkyJoe]

53 minutes ago, Dales said:

 

I tend to agree and suspect they start with a figure in mind of what they want to make and run scenarios of how to get there. If they set a blanket £200 a ticket price to reach the amount they want, everyone would complain and may would be put off straight away. Ithink they would have been slagged off it all the tickets were very expensive to start with even if that was fairer.

 

I think you need a few lower end tickets to lure in the masses to enter the sale. If everyone knows all the tickets are going to cost a lot, it puts people off bothering to login. 

 

Dynamic pricing only works well if you can get someone on-line and they need to make a quick snap judgement to buy or not. Set all the tickets prices high from the start and you give people to much time to make a sensable judgement. You need to dangle the "cheapish price bait" to catch the bigger fish.

£150 isn’t a lower end ticket!

[Narnia]

At the end of the day this dynamic pricing is a business model which works, all tickets were sold and more money was made. It's the ethical side of it that is the problem here and it is partly the emotional side for people. You can't really compare to airlines and hotels since no-one has affection for a specific plane or bed. Noel described in the Supersonic documentary about the chemistry between the band and the audience and that this is was what Oasis was. If the fans are part of what makes Oasis what they are then treat the fans better. If artists in general are out there crediting their fans for them being able to do what they do then they should keep this in mind with this ticketing stuff. 

[yosoyyoberdi]

2 hours ago, MilkyJoe said:

Possibly that they have just never had that sheer volume of people trying to get in before?

But the queue is supposed to allow only a couple hundreds at the same time. Why were TM servers not working properly AFTER you had passed the queue?

[FuzzyDunlop]

19 hours ago, briddj said:

Manchester fans.. just been told there's an issue and Courteeners now very unlikely to happen. 

 

Lovely

[Suprefan]

45 minutes ago, Superscally said:

It's lucky that Oasis were the last act good enough to be able to do dynamic pricing. Will die out with them...

I f**king doubt theyre the last. Nobody screamed at Dua using it for Wembley. 

[pink_triangle]

15 minutes ago, Narnia said:

Noel described in the Supersonic documentary about the chemistry between the band and the audience and that this is was what Oasis was. If the fans are part of what makes Oasis what they are then treat the fans better. If artists in general are out there crediting their fans for them being able to do what they do then they should keep this in mind with this ticketing stuff. 

I think it’s naive to think in articles/documentaries there’s not an element of acts telling the fans what they want to hear.

[andyrhodes24]

1 hour ago, El Matador said:

Assume the issue is that someone actually listened to some of their songs before booking them 

People will bash on every kind of band going and, believe me, Courteeners are far from the best musicians. But they suit the 20-30 Oasis crowd to a tee, particularly the Manc Oasis crowd. Been big enough to headline Heaton Park x2 and Old Trafford (x2?) on their own. Pure dark fruits and would get the crowd going.

[Narnia]

Just now, pink_triangle said:

I think it’s naive to think in articles/documentaries there’s not an element of acts telling the fans what they want to hear.

Definately and so many acts will engage with fans when they have something to sell but then go quiet inbetween. But if they are going to build these connections with fans then it would be more ethical to treat them better if they indeed care about this.