am i the only one who hopes

[oafc0000]

What is a country to you, "King" Blue?! ( ) I would say that it was as much abstract concept as concrete apparatus of state. We don't get patriotic and cream ourselves over systems of governance, constitutions and legislature (unless we're very odd!) - what stirs passions is a feeling of belonging, and you just have to accept that a significant proportion of Scots and Welsh people have a deep set feeling that they are not the same as or an intrinsic part of England. Britain was a good stab at a false concoction of nationhood but many don't feel that like they feel their individual nationality.

Sifi will back me up here - when Italy didn't exist, it took the rhetoric of Mazzini et al to create a feeling of Italian nationality some years before Garibaldi and his troops took the military action required to unify the territory, set up the state etc.

[Peevis]

There are many different cultures and traditions though. For instance, a celtic klansman is hardly going to share the same culture as a mackem ship yard worker.

[Radar]

Here here..

Long live the King!

[Radar]

That Mel Gibson..

He's a c**t too!

[Peevis]

What is a country to you, "King" Blue?! ( ) I would say that it was as much abstract concept as concrete apparatus of state. We don't get patriotic and cream ourselves over systems of governance, constitutions and legislature (unless we're very odd!) - what stirs passions is a feeling of belonging, and you just have to accept that a significant proportion of Scots and Welsh people have a deep set feeling that they are not the same as or an intrinsic part of England. Britain was a good stab at a false concoction of nationhood but many don't feel that like they feel their individual nationality.

Sifi will back me up here - when Italy didn't exist, it took the rhetoric of Mazzini et al to create a feeling of Italian nationality some years before Garibaldi and his troops took the military action required to unify the territory, set up the state etc.

[sifi]

Sifi will back me up here

[worm]

Neither of which exist any more. So in a way, they probably share more culture than you think.

Extinction for one.

Edited August 5, 2008 by worm

[Peevis]

Yes they do.

If you are talking about global culture, then you are very much right to say that we share the same nationlessness, as globalisation would have it. However, there are also local cultures as well as an overiding global one, which are different according to region.

[sifi]

You mean when Piedmont annexed the rest of Italy, then write the glorious history of "unification"

[worm]

According to the search I just did the last shipyard closed in Sunderland in 1988..

[Kowalski]

Indeed...

someone at number six in the world..

Two less than that posh twat Henman..

Be proud Scotland, your hero is not quite as good as Henman.

Three cheers for the bloke almost as good as someone not very good!

woo!

[sifi]

I just have.

[oafc0000]

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Edited August 5, 2008 by oafc0000

[worm]

Because he didn't end up dead?

[oafc0000]

Did a hell of a lot for European harmonisation that man

[Radar]

You mean when Piedmont annexed the rest of Italy, then write the glorious history of "unification"

[Peevis]

Yes, but the culture lives on.

Only as you see them.

[oafc0000]

No, because he lacked the commitment.

[greeneyes1980]

No, because he lacked the commitment.

[sifi]

No, because he lacked the commitment.

Edited August 5, 2008 by sifimaster

[greeneyes1980]

I don't think that is true. From my recollection he performed - or tried to perform - overtaking maneouvres that others would not dare. Berger on the Peralta in 1990 springs immediately to mind. Brilliant maneouvre. Rember it?

Brilliant, and sad. Hawthorn returned after his friend Peter Collins died, only to kill himself in a car accident on the guildford bypass

No, it was because they hired Prost as his co-driver.

Edited August 5, 2008 by greeneyes1980

[King Blue]

There are many different cultures and traditions though. For instance, a celtic klansman is hardly going to share the same culture as a mackem ship yard worker.

[sifi]

Be us English, Welsh or Scottish....at least we aren’t Italian

Edited August 5, 2008 by sifimaster

[sifi]

returned or retired?

I am pretty sure his wages were involved in him walking out on Williams?

[worm]

I see them as small minded anachronistic idoits who still think that there is pride in outdated notions of nationhood, and are way too proud and romantic to remember that most of the trouble in Scotland over the past millennia came from inter clan rivalries. This did FAR more harm to the Scots than the English ever did.