The Cure

[twenty_foot_chickens]

You underestimate them because you have no idea of their audiences or fan bases.

Soundgarden would headline without question.

[worm]

What makes you say that?

[twenty_foot_chickens]

Your theory.

[worm]

My theory is pretty good. The Manics didn't headline in 2007 and you said I didn't have a clue of their fanbase. Im reasonably confident with The Cure and Soundgarden too.

Edited December 22, 2008 by worm

[twenty_foot_chickens]

Okay. So The Smashing Pumkins headline over someone like NIN, yet you think a band with the pedigree of Soundgarden would not? Is that what you believe? The Billy Corgan and his dummer carry more weight than Chris Cornell and the band that began grunge music after 11 years apart? A band that has already joint headlined Reading before?

[worm]

I believe Soundgarden to have no bigger fanbase than NIN. That is my opinion. It doesn't matter whether they've headlined or not before. The Charlatans did it in 1999; then played 4th from top in 2005. Soundgarden are not at the forefront of todays music and I feel that bands like Smashing Pumpkins are more well known than Soundgarden.

Edited December 22, 2008 by worm

[twenty_foot_chickens]

No, but they are at the foreront of alternative rock. Quite at the very top. And that is the fan base we're talking about. Smashing Pumpkins have no where near the pedigree. Though NIN have a panthion of subsequent work and pedigree, they did not have the pulling power of a return. And The Charlatans are from another genre, so not comparible. Add to this Chris Cornell's recent publicity as an international (though I hate to say it) rock-pop artist and his collaboration with RATM (also headliners) and you've got a definite headliner.

Smashing Pumpkins were better know by children. Children are impressionable. A nod to NME and MTV2 and you'll generate the following, especially with all of the aforementioned kudos to play with.

[worm]

Exactly; Smashing Pumpkins are better know by children. NME & MTV2 is what makes these bands big in today's culture; you'll not find Soundgarden on these. I have previously stated that I believe Soundgarden to be a worthy headliner; they're a very good, talented, influential band - but they're just not as popular as someone like Kings of Leon. If they reformed I also doubt they'd curate the same amount of hype as Rage etc...

Edited December 22, 2008 by worm

[thomasowen]

Do children watch MTV2 lol? I doubt it. I hadn't heard of either band till I was 13/14.

[worm]

Do children watch MTV2 lol? I doubt it. I hadn't heard of either band till I was 13/14.

[thomasowen]

The ages of 13 and 14 are that of a child, so yes.

[Chavmeisterdeluxe]

Soundgarden do get a fair bit of MTV2 airplay anyway.

[Mike Patton]

Headlining the tent? Absolutely no chance, I'd say.

Headlining the main stage? Small but more chance.

[Mike Patton]

On the current topic...

If Soundgarden reformed, I would expect them to be put in as Sunday headliner or second down on the bill.

They were better than Smashing Pumpkins, but not as well known...but Melvin Benn knows what's what...hence putting Pearl Jam as weekend headliner - which is exactly where they should've been. And I think he'd do the same with Chris Cornell, Kim Thayill, Ben Shepard and Matt Cameron.

Oh, and MTV2 is a shite channel these days...

[Sparticus]

On the current topic...

If Soundgarden reformed, I would expect them to be put in as Sunday headliner or second down on the bill.

They were better than Smashing Pumpkins, but not as well known...but Melvin Benn knows what's what...hence putting Pearl Jam as weekend headliner - which is exactly where they should've been. And I think he'd do the same with Chris Cornell, Kim Thayill, Ben Shepard and Matt Cameron.

Oh, and MTV2 is a shite channel these days...

[Mike Patton]

the only good thing on mtv2 was that "we haven't played this in ages" bit, just because it actually freshened things up a bit. For a channel on 24 hours, they probably have a rotation of 20- 30 songs (excluding 120 minutes, i've heard some gems on that), rather plug my ipod into the car.

[pinback]

If The Cure play, then I'd expect them to headline the tent. There's absolutely no way they'd be headlining the main stage, none whatsoever.

[thomasowen]

I don't see why Soundgarden would headline the main stage but not The Cure. And 'better' has nothing to do with it...

[pinback]

Because soundgarden would have to reform which would make headlines, which would get people intrested and buying tickets. If the Cure take 10 years of and them reform they could headline but at the moment no chance.

[thomasowen]

But AFAIR the Cure haven't played R/L for ages. And the last time they played Glasto was definitely 1995.

It feels like they've been away for 10 years.

[pinback]

Perhaps, but that doesn't gain the same hype as splitting up and then reforming and all the press coverage that would bring the band and festival.

[thomasowen]

I agree, but I still think The Cure would headline the main stage - they're a far bigger band in the UK than Soundgarden, for example.

[Mike Patton]

I agree, but I still think The Cure would headline the main stage - they're a far bigger band in the UK than Soundgarden, for example.

Edited January 28, 2009 by Mike Patton

[Mike Patton]

IMO they're too small for mainstage healdiners, too big for NME headliners therefore they wont play.

[Mike Patton]

I don't see why Soundgarden would headline the main stage but not The Cure. And 'better' has nothing to do with it...