i'm having trouble with this 4th headliner concept

[titch juicy]

i assume that the fact that everyone keeps guessing at a 4th headliner, there are 3 headliners in place already?

yet, when i check the rumours page, only springsteen is a tbc

do we know for sure that neil young is playing, and who is the third definite? is it blur?

[glasto_mongrel_2008]

The trouble i'm having with it is when/where does this 4th headliner play?

[russycarps]

I wouldnt pay too much attention to it. Only 3 bands can headline and they are the ones that play last each night. It sounds like someone has needed their ego massaged so ME has said "you can co-headline" when in reality they are og course 2nd billing like normal.

Probably kasabian, kaiser chiefs or some young upstarts like that

[staggerlee]

We don't know for definite that Neil Young, Blur or Springsteen are playing. However they have all been very strong rumours since November and Neil seems pretty confident about all three of them. I would say I am 99% sure that Blur are playing on the Sunday and 90% sure for the other two respectively.

Also as much as I dislike the NME they have just come out with an 'exclusive' claiming that the above three are playing. Depeche mode were mentioned, so they could be the mysterious 4th headliner.

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The 4th headliner will be on the Saturday before the main headliner I think, as Rusty says same as every year, second the billing.

Edited January 29, 2009 by staggerlee

[eFestivals]

Depeche mode were mentioned, so they could be the mysterious 4th headliner.

only if they're going to be cancelling long announced dates that have had tickets on sale for quite a while.

Which means they're not the 4th headier.

[reas11]

only if they're going to be cancelling long announced dates that have had tickets on sale for quite a while.

Which means they're not the 4th headier.

[Alcatraz]

I think Winehouse was touted as the "4th Headliner" last year, so sounds like they're giving 2nd last on Saturday some prestige

[Woz06]

Roughly - Headliners play 90 minute sets and all the rest 50-60 minutes(ish).

Last year Leonard Cohen was effectively a 4th Headliner as he got a 90 minute set and was on before the Verve (Sunday Headliner).

PS Amy was only on for under an hour.

[staggerlee]

only if they're going to be cancelling long announced dates that have had tickets on sale for quite a while.

Which means they're not the 4th headier.

Edited January 30, 2009 by staggerlee

[beeker]

has anyone considered that the 4th headliners might be on thursday night? a lot of continental festivals have one or 2 acts playing on the night before the festivals start proper (rock werchter, exit).

Plus it's in line with what has been said about the festival lasting the full 5 days from wed til sunday.

[alframsey]

Could this '4th headliner' actually just be a ploy (spelt right?) dreamt up by the Eavis' to help sell tickets??? Surely not!!!

[Wm.!]

Any idea how this 4th headliner stuff will work?

I mean will the first headliner on the saturday just be playing the sundown set? And will the first headliner get a longer setlist and full production or just a backdrop :S

Edited January 30, 2009 by Wm.!

[Homer]

Everyone's getting really carried away with this, it's just marketing style babble! Three bands will headline at the normal time, three slightly less good/big bands will come on before them.

You could call one of them the Supreme Masters of the Universe if you wanted but it wouldn't make any difference in real terms however choose to you package it! In all probability, they'll come on for 60-90 mins, play some songs, chat a bit in between (unless they're Oasis) and then f*ck off! End of!

[Homer]

The trouble i'm having with it is when/where does this 4th headliner play?

[alframsey]

That’s what I like about you Alf, you’re nothing if not hard but fair!

[alanc]

Everyone's getting really carried away with this, it's just marketing style babble! Three bands will headline at the normal time, three slightly less good/big bands will come on before them.

You could call one of them the Supreme Masters of the Universe if you wanted but it wouldn't make any difference in real terms however choose to you package it! In all probability, they'll come on for 60-90 mins, play some songs, chat a bit in between (unless they're Oasis) and then f*ck off! End of!

[glasto_mongrel_2008]

That’s what I like about you Alf, you’re nothing if not hard but fair!

[alframsey]

Flamin' right! I mean stone the crows, how can they have 4 flamin' headliners without putting one on on the flamin' Thursday. Streuth!!!!

[glasto_mongrel_2008]

So are you also 'Alf'? If so, then we need a dual!!! This forum isnt big enough for two 'Alf's'!

Edited January 30, 2009 by glasto_mongrel_2008

[DaveMac]

The trouble i'm having with it is when/where does this 4th headliner play?

Edited January 30, 2009 by DaveMac

[alframsey]

Think it's just down to my new avatar, which was chosen because of my user name. I'm thinking of changing it again though (avatar, not name). No duel required, unless its a strawberry brothers drinking contest and then i'd happily participate

[glasto_mongrel_2008]

Oh, i cant see the avatar, my work pc wont let me!

And we shall have that Strawberry Brothers Duel! We shall meet atsun down, or any other time to be honest, outside the Brothers Bar in the beautiful green field of somerset on the 25th June!!!

Care to take up the challenge?

[Homer]

Co-headliners is a well known concept, so I presume you've been on Mars or Uranus or something for the last couple of millenia? The way it works is that a band or artist books up to do the festival AFTER the three main stage headliners have already been booked, but will only book up on the condition that they're given a suitably long set, or on the condition that they're given equal billing in terms of the size of their name on the posters, T-shirts, etc.

Examples of co-headliners include when Phoenix festival went down in flames and they moved their headliners over to Reading to co-headline with the already announced headliners (Prodigy co-headlining with Beastie Boys, for example).

Although it wasn't publicised as such, Muse had a co-headline slot with Foo Fighters at Reading a few years back (I say a few years - it was when Muse had Hullaballoo out). As such, Muse got a longer slot than the last-but-one-on-the-bill would've got, and their name was ever-so-slightly-bigger on the posters.

And yeah, last year's Leonard Cohen appearance at Glastonbury was probably, to all intents and purposes, a co-headliner, in as much as he had a 90 minute slot.

[jasper in the rye]

wasnt muse promissed for a future glastonbury?

[LRW]

My point is it means nothing to the punter - it's a vanity title and it all comes down to semantics.