attention Glasto dieters - do you believe the claims?

[fur_q]

Lets close down all the dairy farms if milk is soooo bad.

Oh, that includes a certain farm we all know and love too.

[russycarps]

I just pointed out that in the EU cows aren’t "pumped full of growth hormones" (and you accuse me of not being able to follow a point) and as for antibiotics many humans are continually being pumped full of antibiotics and is this any cause for concern

(Aside for the issue of resistance that is not relevant in this instance)

As for meat I don’t understand why you've decided to mention that

My use of the term "modern manmade products” was in reference to you suggesting that anything that does not occur in nature is automatically bad for us (one of the cornerstones of most modern quackery)

Yes that is a good suggestion....

Or it would be if we had exactly the same diet, DNA, lifestyle and environmental factors.

This one statement shows how much you need to learn about how science works

I am 100% sure my BMI is 23 (well within the accepted safe level) so that just goes to how haw valid your opinions are

Edited March 19, 2009 by russycarps

[Katster]

Just bloody exercise and make sure you get your 5 a day!! I have a takeaway a week. One week KFC, next week Dominos, then Chinese, then Indian. One of these can be supplemented with a Nandos here or there and I always have Subway on a Tuesday cos it's meatball day. Anyway I walk to work and back every day which is an hour and a half round trip and do the rhythm boxing game on the wii-fit every couple of days and have never been in better shape!

[fur_q]

1. Eu cows are pumped full of hormones and antibiotics. You can deny this all you like, it doent make you correct.

2. antibiotics designed for cows are not the same as the ones humans take therefore your argument is absurd. Also, I dont know anyone who is "Pumped full of antibiotics". Are you a very sickly person, is this why you require lots and lots of medication? This makes sense.

3. I wasnt being entirely serious about the cancer test. I do not anticipate being in contact with you in 25 years time

4. Of course it is. Now go and have another glass of nice creamy milk. Fatty.

[russycarps]

1. EU cows are not pumped full of hormones don't have time to find a better source but cancer research UK is more than credible it is not correct because I say so it is correct because it is true

2. You are somewhat mistaken regarding this

But if anyone is concerned try reading this from this (publish by a respected scientific organization)

Also I don’t recall ever having used antibiotics myself for at least the last 10 years and I didn't state this,

But I suppose an unfounded personal attack may distract a little from you complete lack of knowledge or evidence to back up you argument and false claims

3. I refer you back to my last sentence

4

[fur_q]

1. Please note how much uncertain terminology is used in that article: "we don't know" "it may be" "some scientists think" "there is unlikely to be". You blindly believe everthing you read. Try thinking for yourself.

2. government sponsored research?

Do you think global warming is also a myth, because some scientists say so?

[Mr Ploppy]

FAO: fur_q

Statement of fact: I dont converse with people that cannot hold a decent discussion with me without shouting and swearing.

FAO: russy

WOW mate - we found a right one here.

Heres a good one: he said "you start making wild claims". Well the "wild claims" he is refering to is the first instance of me mentioning what I believe about the current problems with cows milk... if anyone looks at the post they will see I said "From what I know tho - cows milk is genetically not good for human consumption". Now I simply said "From what I know" which leaves my statement open to belief or disbelief. fur_q obviously does know what the word claims means - a dictionary will tell you it means - To state to be true. I never said it was true I said... "From what I know" and as stated in a followup post I said I am not a scientist and so cannot possibly prove anything. Incredible how someone can purposely misconstrue me expressing an opinion about valid research.

Heres the best bit though - "THIS IS JUST DANGEROUS".

Yeah resorting to swearing and shouting and saying that if people stop drinking cows milk it will be "DANGEROUS". Waaaaa-ha-ha-ha. Duh!

Dont know if you picked up on this russy, but when I posted information by which I live my life in the hope that others might read it and be open-minded enough to do the research themselves and make and ADULT decision - I get an uneducated foul-mouthed poster posting to me "You claerly know very little then". He then asks to see the some of the research I am speaking about and when you kindly show him he comes back and writes multiple long posts about how it is wrong. It is obvious here that this person knows less than nothing apart from how to spout rubbish and then when shown via a link were the information lies spends a vast amount of time trying to debunk it simply because they have already sealed their opinion the day before when they had not even heard of the said theory.

ha ha ha.

Oh no - I just read another bit. The bit about Mercury in peoples teeth... "many well conducted studies have showed no increased dangers". Glad fur-q was there to ensure the alledged studies were conducted well. ha ha ha

This is just worrying now for him. There are 2 sides to every story. Usually the side that states things are all 'OK' are from government funded projects and government scientists with the main reasoning to not cause a national outcry. I wonder if he realizes how many people have a mouth full of mercury, I wonder if he realizes how many people drink cows milk. Of course there will be 'studies' that show it is all safe otherwise 3/4 of the country would be panicing and trying to sue the government. tut tut tut. I suppose it is alot easier to believe in the 'no harm' studies as you dont have to change your life and can get all your information from just watching Sky News. Narrow-minded indeed.

Argh, I am stopping reading fur-q's posts now. They are making my eyes bleed.

I look at the pros and cons and use my sensible mind to determine the choices I make in life. As MrT once said "I pity the fool" who lives like an automoton and chooses to believe certain things because they are easier, either that or a distinct lack of knowledge.

I have read all your posts on this thread now russy and think your open-minded attitude is good and lets face it... if the studies are correct and there is a problem with all the junk in cows milk, then I would rather be one of those that read alot and decided to be cautious instead of one of those who will get on their high horses (as they usually do) and start asking why this information was never public knowledge years ago because they are a little concerned for their health.

It saddens me that I will not read fur_q's other posts on page 3 of the thread - but do not tolerate discourteous people and basicly sideline them. It would have been great for me to be involved in this duscussion I have started - but alas. I could never even consider the point of anyone that swears and shouts and acusses people of making dangerous claims when that it was clearly stated as something I believe. Maybe I should go back and edit the post to say"hey people - I know this for a FACT and here is the truth you should all believe". That would make fur_q seem less foolish then. Mind you - he may have redeemed himself but I refuse to cast my milky eyes onto his spoutings.

Me has a sneaky feeling fur_q is the type of person that buys a £1.99 chicken from ASDA - because its cheap and would not be problematic to our health otherwise they wouldn't selll it otherwise. ha ha ha

I hope fur_q continunes to drink his milk and enjoys it.

His body is a temple.

[nina3d]

i dont like the smell of mushrooms doesnt mean they're anything wrong with eating them

[russycarps]

FAO: fur_q

Statement of fact: I dont converse with people that cannot hold a decent discussion with me without shouting and swearing.

FAO: russy

WOW mate - we found a right one here.

Heres a good one: he said "you start making wild claims". Well the "wild claims" he is refering to is the first instance of me mentioning what I believe about the current problems with cows milk... if anyone looks at the post they will see I said "From what I know tho - cows milk is genetically not good for human consumption". Now I simply said "From what I know" which leaves my statement open to belief or disbelief. fur_q obviously does know what the word claims means - a dictionary will tell you it means - To state to be true. I never said it was true I said... "From what I know" and as stated in a followup post I said I am not a scientist and so cannot possibly prove anything. Incredible how someone can purposely misconstrue me expressing an opinion about valid research.

Heres the best bit though - "THIS IS JUST DANGEROUS".

Yeah resorting to swearing and shouting and saying that if people stop drinking cows milk it will be "DANGEROUS". Waaaaa-ha-ha-ha. Duh!

Dont know if you picked up on this russy, but when I posted information by which I live my life in the hope that others might read it and be open-minded enough to do the research themselves and make and ADULT decision - I get an uneducated foul-mouthed poster posting to me "You claerly know very little then". He then asks to see the some of the research I am speaking about and when you kindly show him he comes back and writes multiple long posts about how it is wrong. It is obvious here that this person knows less than nothing apart from how to spout rubbish and then when shown via a link were the information lies spends a vast amount of time trying to debunk it simply because they have already sealed their opinion the day before when they had not even heard of the said theory.

ha ha ha.

Oh no - I just read another bit. The bit about Mercury in peoples teeth... "many well conducted studies have showed no increased dangers". Glad fur-q was there to ensure the alledged studies were conducted well. ha ha ha

This is just worrying now for him. There are 2 sides to every story. Usually the side that states things are all 'OK' are from government funded projects and government scientists with the main reasoning to not cause a national outcry. I wonder if he realizes how many people have a mouth full of mercury, I wonder if he realizes how many people drink cows milk. Of course there will be 'studies' that show it is all safe otherwise 3/4 of the country would be panicing and trying to sue the government. tut tut tut. I suppose it is alot easier to believe in the 'no harm' studies as you dont have to change your life and can get all your information from just watching Sky News. Narrow-minded indeed.

Argh, I am stopping reading fur-q's posts now. They are making my eyes bleed.

I look at the pros and cons and use my sensible mind to determine the choices I make in life. As MrT once said "I pity the fool" who lives like an automoton and chooses to believe certain things because they are easier, either that or a distinct lack of knowledge.

I have read all your posts on this thread now russy and think your open-minded attitude is good and lets face it... if the studies are correct and there is a problem with all the junk in cows milk, then I would rather be one of those that read alot and decided to be cautious instead of one of those who will get on their high horses (as they usually do) and start asking why this information was never public knowledge years ago because they are a little concerned for their health.

It saddens me that I will not read fur_q's other posts on page 3 of the thread - but do not tolerate discourteous people and basicly sideline them. It would have been great for me to be involved in this duscussion I have started - but alas. I could never even consider the point of anyone that swears and shouts and acusses people of making dangerous claims when that it was clearly stated as something I believe. Maybe I should go back and edit the post to say"hey people - I know this for a FACT and here is the truth you should all believe". That would make fur_q seem less foolish then. Mind you - he may have redeemed himself but I refuse to cast my milky eyes onto his spoutings.

Me has a sneaky feeling fur_q is the type of person that buys a £1.99 chicken from ASDA - because its cheap and would not be problematic to our health otherwise they wouldn't selll it otherwise. ha ha ha

I hope fur_q continunes to drink his milk and enjoys it.

His body is a temple.

[Chimps in Balaclavas]

Time to knock it in the head lads and agree to disagree.

[LostRiot]

Just do The LostRiot diet plan, its never failed me,

Start off the day with a nice slice of toast (white with butter) and a cup of coffee (3 sugars)

Then whenever you feel hungry throughout the day have a cigarette until you have no energy whatsoever then have a mars bar or a packet of crisps.

Its best to roll your own cigarettes its cheaper and you only need a little one to stop you feeling hungry. You're going to be smoking lots of cigarettes.

You can carry all your food for the day around with you, and make sure you keep on drinking coffee, or occasionally a coke - need to keep those caffeine levels up.

At weekends have a massive fry up and some stew or a steak and ale pie or something to treat yourself for having such a healthy week.

If you go out drinking have a couple of pints of cider or whatever, and then get straight on the rum.

Also, exercise wise, I find it best just to 'quicken up' run up stairs, walk really quickly, if you're cleaning the house do it really fast.

It works a treat,

Edited March 19, 2009 by LostRiot

[GlastoMad]

haha. im not exactly thin, and i really wanted to slim for glasto, so i am. its stupid just eating foods that will make ur mealtime horrible. i for one enjoy my food, and want to continue doing so.

you could get hit by a bus tomorrow, do you want to spend ur last week eating cardboard with oats on top?

what i am doing is eating my scrummy three meals a day, but no snacks. i dont even want to snack now iv given it up.

a roast dinner is better than special K any day. eat anything you want guys, just not a lot of it!

all in moderation!

and excercise =) my problem was not excercising. iv lost weight already.

[Mr Ploppy]

LostRiot - love it! very funny I like your style. All that talk of food has made me hungry tho. lol

GlastoMad - totally agree that you could get hit by a bus tomorrow. But you might not get hit by a bus for the next 50 years and may end up thinking... why didn't I go on a bit of a diet and maintain a decent healthy weight for the past 50 years.

yeah, 2 ways of looking at it but I have already lost alot of weight recently from eating good stuff and exercising. I will be in excellent shape for Glasto this year and when the end of June arrives and we all travel to the greatest fields on earth - I know I will be pleased I made the effort with my weight and fitness when I am drinking gallons of beer. LOL

At the end of the day - its how you feel in yourself that matters. I felt lousy about being a overweight and not exercising so I did something about it. I have extremely limited my 'treats' and 'goodies' but when I end up in the condition I want to be in June - I will then start enjoying nicer things again but do so sensibly.

Deffo NOT giving up my weekend beer tho.

I still HATE that SpecialK advert too! ;-)

MrPloppy

[nina3d]

Then whenever you feel hungry throughout the day have a cigarette until you have no energy whatsoever then have a mars bar or a packet of crisps.

[Litts]

I have my porridge with milk and water along with cinnamon, mixed spice and sultana's. Oh and a little bit of sugar.

Very yummy

[chloesaurus]

lol @fur_q: Suggesting that perhaps milk isn't the best thing ever for humans to consume is not "dangerous"! I haven't consumed any milk/dairy products in five years and I'm not in danger because of it. Just use your common sense - cows don't drink human breast milk, so why should we drink theirs?! Also, most soya milk, breakfast cereals and plenty of other foods are fortified with calcium, so it is available elsewhere (not just drinking cows' milk).

Reducing your consumption of meat and dairy is likely to make you healthier (one good scientific example of this is the Oxford Vegetarian Study, which showed that vegetarians and vegans [vegans in particular] are generally healthier than those who consume animal products). May I suggest that you undertake your research more open-mindedly in future instead of blindly believing what you're told. I'd also like to point out that evidence from Cancer Research UK is probably not all that reliable since they test on animals, although that's opening a whole other can of worms, so to speak.

[chloesaurus]

Oh, and I eat cereal (not Special K though) and soy milk with a glass of fruit juice for breakfast.

I'm attempting to lose some weight for Glastonbury, mostly by reducing the amount of snacks I eat during the day and eating fruit or nuts instead. And I'm exercising more regularly. Lost just over five pounds in the last couple of weeks

[russycarps]

lol @fur_q: Suggesting that perhaps milk isn't the best thing ever for humans to consume is not "dangerous"! I haven't consumed any milk/dairy products in five years and I'm not in danger because of it. Just use your common sense - cows don't drink human breast milk, so why should we drink theirs?! Also, most soya milk, breakfast cereals and plenty of other foods are fortified with calcium, so it is available elsewhere (not just drinking cows' milk).

Reducing your consumption of meat and dairy is likely to make you healthier (one good scientific example of this is the Oxford Vegetarian Study, which showed that vegetarians and vegans [vegans in particular] are generally healthier than those who consume animal products). May I suggest that you undertake your research more open-mindedly in future instead of blindly believing what you're told. I'd also like to point out that evidence from Cancer Research UK is probably not all that reliable since they test on animals, although that's opening a whole other can of worms, so to speak.

[redy]

a handy wee tip is too watch out for low fat foods they normally exchange the fat for sugar

go for brown unrefined foods

[HotChipWillBreakYourLegs]

<snip>. I'd also like to point out that evidence from Cancer Research UK is probably not all that reliable since they test on animals, <snip>

[russycarps]

Why would that make their research any more unreliable?

Edited March 20, 2009 by russycarps

[ShadyBlueBell]

Right - I know alot of people are as fed up as I am about the SpecialK advert. And I know some people will believe the hype of SpecialK if they are trying to lose some weight for the Summer.

So... mentioning no names... a certain product out there is supposed to be good for you and helps you lose weight.

Now, what is one of the causes to put on weight.. SUGAR. Not the natural sugar found in fruit which is good and burns off slowly through the day and keeps up your energy levels and sorta keeps you feelling full. I am talking about - down and dirty SUGAR SUGAR SUGAR just purposely added to things as an ingredient.

Well, this certain product contains 17g of sugar (which is listed as an added ingredient) per 100g of the product. That is equivelant to just over 4 teaspoons full.

So, if on your diet you decide to have a healthy breakfast - would you then go to your sugar pot and spoon 4 full teaspoons full of the stuff into your mouth knowing well that this is not good for you and is certainly not a good 'weight loss' idea?

Thats just my take on things folks. As a comparison - look at oats as part of a healthy breakfast which USUALLY contains about 1.5g grams (per 100g) of naturally occuring sugar as opposed to... well... I think you get the meaning here.

Just offering what I know as advice for fellow Glasto dieters in the hope it helps.

I am not the 'know all' of sugar or any foods so if anyone feels I am incorrect - post away.

MrPloppy

[markeee]

the problem is, these days everything seems to be bad, burnt food, eating too many eggs can cause problems etc

i guess the key is moderation in part

[Mr Ploppy]

lol @fur_q: Suggesting that perhaps milk isn't the best thing ever for humans to consume is not "dangerous"! I haven't consumed any milk/dairy products in five years and I'm not in danger because of it. Just use your common sense - cows don't drink human breast milk, so why should we drink theirs?! Also, most soya milk, breakfast cereals and plenty of other foods are fortified with calcium, so it is available elsewhere (not just drinking cows' milk).

Reducing your consumption of meat and dairy is likely to make you healthier (one good scientific example of this is the Oxford Vegetarian Study, which showed that vegetarians and vegans [vegans in particular] are generally healthier than those who consume animal products). May I suggest that you undertake your research more open-mindedly in future instead of blindly believing what you're told. I'd also like to point out that evidence from Cancer Research UK is probably not all that reliable since they test on animals, although that's opening a whole other can of worms, so to speak.

[fur_q]

“FAO: fur_q

Statement of fact: I dont converse with people that cannot hold a decent discussion with me without shouting and swearing.

FAO: russy

WOW mate - we found a right one here.

Heres a good one: he said "you start making wild claims". Well the "wild claims" he is refering to is the first instance of me mentioning what I believe about the current problems with cows milk... if anyone looks at the post they will see I said "From what I know tho - cows milk is genetically not good for human consumption". Now I simply said "From what I know" which leaves my statement open to belief or disbelief. fur_q obviously does know what the word claims means - a dictionary will tell you it means - To state to be true. I never said it was true I said... "From what I know" and as stated in a followup post I said I am not a scientist and so cannot possibly prove anything. Incredible how someone can purposely misconstrue me expressing an opinion about valid research.”

I didn’t misconstrue anything I simply refuted your claim witch you invited me to do

“so if anyone feels I am incorrect - post away.” (taken from your OP)

sorry if you found the manner I did that in offensive (certainly wasn’t aware anyone on this forum would be sensitive about the f word) so what was misconstrewed you expresses an opinion I refuted it simple realy

“Heres the best bit though - "THIS IS JUST DANGEROUS".

Yeah resorting to swearing and shouting and saying that if people stop drinking cows milk it will be "DANGEROUS". Waaaaa-ha-ha-ha. Duh!”

You were just mentioning miscontrewing thigs and yet you seem to have majourly misunderstood what I said here I wasn’t impling that simply not drinking cows milk was dangours I was talking about unqualified people deceminating health information

” Dont know if you picked up on this russy, but when I posted information by which I live my life in the hope that others might read it and be open-minded enough to do the research themselves and make and ADULT decision - I get an uneducated foul-mouthed poster posting to me "You claerly know very little then". He then asks to see the some of the research I am speaking about and when you kindly show him he comes back and writes multiple long posts about how it is wrong.”

I have done research myself and I have made “ADULT decision” (and I am far from uneducated)

I asked to see your research because you where stating something that deviated from the scientific consensus you failed to do this. Why is this if the evidence is good?

Russy posted an unverified article on a little known website, with no citations by an osteopath who;- has no formal recognized qualifications in nutrition/dietetics, has a clear conflict of interest on the subject of nutrition (as he makes his money selling dietary supplements and has been widely discredited by the scientific community.

“It is obvious here that this person knows less than nothing apart from how to spout rubbish and then when shown via a link were the information lies spends a vast amount of time trying to debunk it simply because they have already sealed their opinion the day before when they had not even heard of the said theory.

ha ha ha.”

it would seem more obvious that I know a good deal about how scientific theory is studied reported and reviewed and I was shown one internet article supposedly to prove an entire theory

I spent time debunking it for the simple reason that it is easily debunkable my mind was not made up about this until I looked for evidence but I have been unable to find anything credible to back up your statement and you refuse to show me any, WHY?

“Oh no - I just read another bit. The bit about Mercury in peoples teeth... "many well conducted studies have showed no increased dangers". Glad fur-q was there to ensure the alledged studies were conducted well. ha ha ha”

I didn’t need to be because I understand proper scientific reporting procedure

“This is just worrying now for him. There are 2 sides to every story. Usually the side that states things are all 'OK' are from government funded projects and government scientists with the main reasoning to not cause a national outcry. “

“usually” is this based on anything other than your opinion again show me evidence. Why are you so reluctant to do this?

And if government scientists cover things up so as not to cause a public outcry why was it that it was government funded science that first identified the BSE prion and placed their findings in the public arena.

Science cant just be dismissed on the baisis of the fact that its government funded to do this shows compleate lack of the scenticic processes

“I wonder if he realizes how many people have a mouth full of mercury, I wonder if he realizes how many people drink cows milk. Of course there will be 'studies' that show it is all safe otherwise 3/4 of the country would be panicing and trying to sue the government. tut tut tut.”

evidence?

So govement studies never provide evidence of health risks due to negligence that effect significant amounts of the population

health scare instigated by GOVERMENT SCIENTIST

“I suppose it is alot easier to believe in the 'no harm' studies as you dont have to change your life and can get all your information from just watching Sky News. Narrow-minded indeed.”

no its a lot easier to believe the studies that are credible and backed up by genuine science with genuine evidence

I don’t believe anything I reed in the Murdoch owned media I research things before making a decision. (btw sky news are pretty known for propagating health scare stories)

“Argh, I am stopping reading fur-q's posts now. They are making my eyes bleed. “

then you may wish to visit you local emergency ophthalmology department

“I look at the pros and cons and use my sensible mind to determine the choices I make in life. As MrT once said "I pity the fool" who lives like an automoton and chooses to believe certain things because they are easier, either that or a distinct lack of knowledge.”

me too its just that I base my choices on a knowledge of science not an ideology and I am able to back mine up with evedence (that I never refuse to do unlike some) not petty personal diggs

“I have read all your posts on this thread now russy and think your open-minded attitude is good”

any acknowledgment that I have rubbished several of his claims? … no?

but he still has a good open minded attitude ☺

“ and lets face it... if the studies are correct and there is a problem with all the junk in cows milk, then I would rather be one of those that read alot and decided to be cautious instead of one of those who will get on their high horses (as they usually do) and start asking why this information was never public knowledge years ago because they are a little concerned for their health.”

What studies?

why are you so reluctant to back up your claims?

I am only cautious when good evidence shows that this would be wise

‘It saddens me that I will not read fur_q's other posts on page 3 of the thread but do not tolerate discourteous people and basicly sideline them.”

or possibly because you are unable to intelligently refute my claims

“It would have been great for me to be involved in this duscussion I have started - but alas. I could never even consider the point of anyone that swears and shouts and acusses people of making dangerous claims when that it was clearly stated as something I believe. Maybe I should go back and edit the post to say"hey people - I know this for a FACT and here is the truth you should all believe". That would make fur_q seem less foolish then. Mind you - he may have redeemed himself but I refuse to cast my milky eyes onto his spoutings.”

so you refuse to engage in debate with someone that disagrees with you?

you just post a load of comments towards someone else in intermeeting a “will you tell him because im not talking to him attitude” and wheel of unfounded personal attacks (but I guess that it the usual tactic of the ideologist who’s augments are ultimately flawed

“Me has a sneaky feeling fur_q is the type of person that buys a £1.99 chicken from ASDA - because its cheap and would not be problematic to our health otherwise they wouldn't selll it otherwise. ha ha ha”

another personal attack and another suspicion of yours that is way off the mark!

“I hope fur_q continunes to drink his milk and enjoys it.

His body is a temple.”

i don’t drink milk I have a little semi skimmed an my breakfast cereal (actually a much smaller amount than most would use) and I eat a little cheese and some low fat yogurt as part of a healthy BALENCED diet.

(but I guess that doesn’t fit with the your preconceived views does it)