Has Glastonbury Sold Out?

[Kaye]

http://######/TFFneedsyou Edited April 19, 2009 by Kaye

[Kaye]

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[Brizzle]

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[crimeblitz]

im not gettin anything here

[Kaye]

Try this one!

Edited April 19, 2009 by Kaye

[staggerlee]

According to the offical site it has:

http://www.seetickets.com/g2009/

[Spiderden]

According to the offical site it has:

http://www.seetickets.com/g2009/

[glastoman417]

According to the offical site it has:

http://www.seetickets.com/g2009/

[Alcatraz]

Orange's reasoning in that article is a bit strange. Does anybody on here wish they had broadband on site to go on Facebook?

[nightcrawler13]

i've only been going since 2004, i definately have noticed changes since then (less people selling drugs, no roadside laughing gas stalls, no one with tubs of beer)

so i imagine for someone who has been going for 20+ years it has "sold out"

the thing you have to remember is, without glastonbury updating with the times, it wouldnt be around at all anymore

it is the greatest festival i have ever been to, every year i have an amazing time, seeing the words "carlsberg" and "orange" a few times doesnt affect my good times what so ever!

[joshwarrr]

Orange's reasoning in that article is a bit strange. Does anybody on here wish they had broadband on site to go on Facebook?

[glastoman417]

the thing you have to remember is, without glastonbury updating with the times, it wouldnt be around at all anymore

[G1T]

I've been going since '97, and yeah, it's definitely changed, but really don't think it's sold out. Sure, the green fields aren't what they were, the change in the sacred space at night has been a real shame, and there are more people around complaining about the toilets and lack of showers.

But as has been said time and again, you're still not going to find a festival that manages to combine the same size with the vibe Glastonbury has anywhere in the UK.

Things always look better in hindsight, remember getting really ill from being constantly cold, wet and tired at glasto '98, the way they dealt with the rain in 2005 was a million times better (small flood aside). If selling out means sorting basic things like that out, then I'm fine with it.

[Mardy]

Hpw reliable is that magazine? Rev and the Makers seem to self confirm in their article. Good news.

[grumpyhack]

Yes it's gone commercial but it's had to to survive. As someone who has been going since the start (with some gaps) I prefer it now with the fence, decent facilities and the most astonishing range of music and events.

Much of the ethos still remains and with the huge number of 'alternative' areas it's still like no other festival in the UK.

Edited April 19, 2009 by grumpyhack

[llcoolphil]

Selling out or evolving?

[beergut100]

Yes it's gone commercial but it's had to to survive. As someone who has been going since the start (with some gaps) I prefer it now with the fence, decent facilities and the most astonishing range of music and events.

Much of the ethos still remains and with the huge number of 'alternative' areas it's still like no other festival in the UK.

[Pinhead]

Yes its changed; perhaps lost some of its enchanting charm, edgyness and become more obviously commercial in some areas. However, much of this perception is simply based on the fact I have gone there 14 times and have these years as points of reference with which to compare it to today. I was naturally younger when I began going - if I was 21 again and just going for the first time this year I expect I'd still think it stood out as still being all of the above compared to other festivals.

As others have observed here, not all change has been towards the commercial. Since I began going I have seen the rise and fall of popular stages, areas and venues (e.g. LV), and the creation of fantastic new ones at Trash City and Shangri La. For a festival that has apparently 'lost its way by getting too commercial', it shows no sign of conceptually losing its focus or imagination and creativity.

True, I'd rather there be less corporate involvement, but if it helps the charities supported and keeps the festival going, than I'd rather that than no festival at all.

[beodeejay]

On old chestnut.......

2009 will be my 14th year. (at Glasto - I'm not 14 - in fact, quite the reverse !!)

Selling out is a very subjective term - there is a vast amopunt of leeway and good will that still goes on, and this is in effect paid for by getting a few mutlinationals to chip in and cover some running costs.

Some examples - when Bud were visible on-site for a couple of years recently, it raised many grumbles here - and yet....they paid for the bin tops. Thats all.....no huge banners, no massive ads, and no one made you order that brand at the bar, or indeed go in the bars that sold it. Same with Carlsberg now - there are many others available on site, but if you want a long, cold fizzy drink, then its one option.

In many apsects, GFL ( led by Mr E ) have taken the corporate shilling, but on their terms - so Q sponsor a daily paper and the info points. Is that a problem ? Sad as it is, I've got a draw full of the Galsto Daily paper right back to the Select ones from the mid 90's. I liike them. and I'm glad someone else pays - more ££ for me on-site.

Orange will charge your phone for £0 - a "service" to festy goers, but they aren't a charity - they have to pay for the kit, the staff and the space - so there has to be a payoff, somehow. Its to Micheal Eavis's credit he has these arrangements in place in a (relatively) subtle way - meaning the site still looks , on the whole, like the worlds biggest party -which of course, it is.

Two "pay-offs" spring to mind - the Tor Rugby Club stall (located just along from the cider bus) and the Street Sub Aqua club cafe ( in Family Camping ) These two local clubs are allowed prime sites, staffed by volunteers. Therefore, they raise ( literaaly) thousands of pounds each year to support local amenities. Its also worth pointing out that the Tor club sell chilled cans ( just ready for a shot of JD ) at 50 or 60p - literally half the price of the burger & chicken vans ( who uses them ?? ) for the self same item. They also do spot on chilli & wraps - very fresh, very nice and not at all expensive. Same is true of the tea and coffee in the kids field - 24hrs, not a rip off.

Without taking a few corporates on board, the festivals could not allow tiny, local clubs ( or traders like the many small one man band/co-op outlets in and around the Greenfields) to trade on site - they would need to charge them too much for the pitch - meaning higher food prices, meaning everyone pays.

The festivals has also had to comply with a vast number of Health and Safety issues - all well documented here and elsewhere. No compliance, no festival - so its not up for discussion. Mendip council would be duty bound to take away the licence.

If you simply plod between the pyramid stage, the other stage and the dance area - stopping of for a burger and a Carlsberg on the way, its easy to think the festivals is just a version of any other enormo-fest, but with a few flags and beardy types round the edges.

But its not - I would say its more like combining Womad, Cambridge, Shrewsbury and Guilfest into one big site, with multiple stages running top notch, incredibly varied music, theatre, comedy, film and performace stuff, then adding a huge array of markets stalls and food stalls, then finally, sticking a version of V or Leeds right in the middle for good measure (Pyramid and Other, JP and Dance Village)

As other have said - its had to evolve, but on the whole, the spirit remains.

Edited April 20, 2009 by beodeejay

[rosstopher]

On old chestnut.......

2009 will be my 14th year. (at Glasto - I'm not 14 - in fact, quite the reverse !!)

Selling out is a very subjective term - there is a vast amopunt of leeway and good will that still goes on, and this is in effect paid for by getting a few mutlinationals to chip in and cover some running costs.

Some examples - when Bud were visible on-site for a couple of years recently, it raised many grumbles here - and yet....they paid for the bin tops. Thats all.....no huge banners, no massive ads, and no one made you order that brand at the bar, or indeed go in the bars that sold it. Same with Carlsberg now - there are many others available on site, but if you want a long, cold fizzy drink, then its one option.

In many apsects, GFL ( led by Mr E ) have taken the corporate shilling, but on their terms - so Q sponsor a daily paper and the info points. Is that a problem ? Sad as it is, I've got a draw full of the Galsto Daily paper right back to the Select ones from the mid 90's. I liike them. and I'm glad someone else pays - more ££ for me on-site.

Orange will charge your phone for £0 - a "service" to festy goers, but they aren't a charity - they have to pay for the kit, the staff and the space - so there has to be a payoff, somehow. Its to Micheal Eavis's credit he has these arrangements in place in a (relatively) subtle way - meaning the site still looks , on the whole, like the worlds biggest party -which of course, it is.

Two "pay-offs" spring to mind - the Tor Rugby Club stall (located just along from the cider bus) and the Street Sub Aqua club cafe ( in Family Camping ) These two local clubs are allowed prime sites, staffed by volunteers. Therefore, they raise ( literaaly) thousands of pounds each year to support local amenities. Its also worth pointing out that the Tor club sell chilled cans ( just ready for a shot of JD ) at 50 or 60p - literally half the price of the burger & chicken vans ( who uses them ?? ) for the self same item. They also do spot on chilli & wraps - very fresh, very nice and not at all expensive. Same is true of the tea and coffee in the kids field - 24hrs, not a rip off.

Without taking a few corporates on board, the festivals could not allow tiny, local clubs ( or traders like the many small one man band/co-op outlets in and around the Greenfields) to trade on site - they would need to charge them too much for the pitch - meaning higher food prices, meaning everyone pays.

The festivals has also had to comply with a vast number of Health and Safety issues - all well documented here and elsewhere. No compliance, no festival - so its not up for discussion. Mendip council would be duty bound to take away the licence.

If you simply plod between the pyramid stage, the other stage and the dance area - stopping of for a burger and a Carlsberg on the way, its easy to think the festivals is just a version of any other enormo-fest, but with a few flags and beardy types round the edges.

But its not - I would say its more like combining Womad, Cambridge, Shrewsbury and Guilfest into one big site, with multiple stages running top notch, incredibly varied music, theatre, comedy, film and performace stuff, then adding a huge array of markets stalls and food stalls, then finally, sticking a version of V or Leeds right in the middle for good measure (Pyramid and Other, JP and Dance Village)

As other have said - its had to evolve, but on the whole, the spirit remains.

[beergut100]

well put mate

[Chazeboy]

On old chestnut.......

2009 will be my 14th year. (at Glasto - I'm not 14 - in fact, quite the reverse !!)

Selling out is a very subjective term - there is a vast amopunt of leeway and good will that still goes on, and this is in effect paid for by getting a few mutlinationals to chip in and cover some running costs.

Some examples - when Bud were visible on-site for a couple of years recently, it raised many grumbles here - and yet....they paid for the bin tops. Thats all.....no huge banners, no massive ads, and no one made you order that brand at the bar, or indeed go in the bars that sold it. Same with Carlsberg now - there are many others available on site, but if you want a long, cold fizzy drink, then its one option.

In many apsects, GFL ( led by Mr E ) have taken the corporate shilling, but on their terms - so Q sponsor a daily paper and the info points. Is that a problem ? Sad as it is, I've got a draw full of the Galsto Daily paper right back to the Select ones from the mid 90's. I liike them. and I'm glad someone else pays - more ££ for me on-site.

Orange will charge your phone for £0 - a "service" to festy goers, but they aren't a charity - they have to pay for the kit, the staff and the space - so there has to be a payoff, somehow. Its to Micheal Eavis's credit he has these arrangements in place in a (relatively) subtle way - meaning the site still looks , on the whole, like the worlds biggest party -which of course, it is.

Two "pay-offs" spring to mind - the Tor Rugby Club stall (located just along from the cider bus) and the Street Sub Aqua club cafe ( in Family Camping ) These two local clubs are allowed prime sites, staffed by volunteers. Therefore, they raise ( literaaly) thousands of pounds each year to support local amenities. Its also worth pointing out that the Tor club sell chilled cans ( just ready for a shot of JD ) at 50 or 60p - literally half the price of the burger & chicken vans ( who uses them ?? ) for the self same item. They also do spot on chilli & wraps - very fresh, very nice and not at all expensive. Same is true of the tea and coffee in the kids field - 24hrs, not a rip off.

Without taking a few corporates on board, the festivals could not allow tiny, local clubs ( or traders like the many small one man band/co-op outlets in and around the Greenfields) to trade on site - they would need to charge them too much for the pitch - meaning higher food prices, meaning everyone pays.

The festivals has also had to comply with a vast number of Health and Safety issues - all well documented here and elsewhere. No compliance, no festival - so its not up for discussion. Mendip council would be duty bound to take away the licence.

If you simply plod between the pyramid stage, the other stage and the dance area - stopping of for a burger and a Carlsberg on the way, its easy to think the festivals is just a version of any other enormo-fest, but with a few flags and beardy types round the edges.

But its not - I would say its more like combining Womad, Cambridge, Shrewsbury and Guilfest into one big site, with multiple stages running top notch, incredibly varied music, theatre, comedy, film and performace stuff, then adding a huge array of markets stalls and food stalls, then finally, sticking a version of V or Leeds right in the middle for good measure (Pyramid and Other, JP and Dance Village)

As other have said - its had to evolve, but on the whole, the spirit remains.

[robith]

On old chestnut.......

2009 will be my 14th year. (at Glasto - I'm not 14 - in fact, quite the reverse !!)

Selling out is a very subjective term - there is a vast amopunt of leeway and good will that still goes on, and this is in effect paid for by getting a few mutlinationals to chip in and cover some running costs.

Some examples - when Bud were visible on-site for a couple of years recently, it raised many grumbles here - and yet....they paid for the bin tops. Thats all.....no huge banners, no massive ads, and no one made you order that brand at the bar, or indeed go in the bars that sold it. Same with Carlsberg now - there are many others available on site, but if you want a long, cold fizzy drink, then its one option.

In many apsects, GFL ( led by Mr E ) have taken the corporate shilling, but on their terms - so Q sponsor a daily paper and the info points. Is that a problem ? Sad as it is, I've got a draw full of the Galsto Daily paper right back to the Select ones from the mid 90's. I liike them. and I'm glad someone else pays - more ££ for me on-site.

Orange will charge your phone for £0 - a "service" to festy goers, but they aren't a charity - they have to pay for the kit, the staff and the space - so there has to be a payoff, somehow. Its to Micheal Eavis's credit he has these arrangements in place in a (relatively) subtle way - meaning the site still looks , on the whole, like the worlds biggest party -which of course, it is.

Two "pay-offs" spring to mind - the Tor Rugby Club stall (located just along from the cider bus) and the Street Sub Aqua club cafe ( in Family Camping ) These two local clubs are allowed prime sites, staffed by volunteers. Therefore, they raise ( literaaly) thousands of pounds each year to support local amenities. Its also worth pointing out that the Tor club sell chilled cans ( just ready for a shot of JD ) at 50 or 60p - literally half the price of the burger & chicken vans ( who uses them ?? ) for the self same item. They also do spot on chilli & wraps - very fresh, very nice and not at all expensive. Same is true of the tea and coffee in the kids field - 24hrs, not a rip off.

Without taking a few corporates on board, the festivals could not allow tiny, local clubs ( or traders like the many small one man band/co-op outlets in and around the Greenfields) to trade on site - they would need to charge them too much for the pitch - meaning higher food prices, meaning everyone pays.

The festivals has also had to comply with a vast number of Health and Safety issues - all well documented here and elsewhere. No compliance, no festival - so its not up for discussion. Mendip council would be duty bound to take away the licence.

If you simply plod between the pyramid stage, the other stage and the dance area - stopping of for a burger and a Carlsberg on the way, its easy to think the festivals is just a version of any other enormo-fest, but with a few flags and beardy types round the edges.

But its not - I would say its more like combining Womad, Cambridge, Shrewsbury and Guilfest into one big site, with multiple stages running top notch, incredibly varied music, theatre, comedy, film and performace stuff, then adding a huge array of markets stalls and food stalls, then finally, sticking a version of V or Leeds right in the middle for good measure (Pyramid and Other, JP and Dance Village)

As other have said - its had to evolve, but on the whole, the spirit remains.

[deschwah]

On old chestnut.......

2009 will be my 14th year. (at Glasto - I'm not 14 - in fact, quite the reverse !!)

Selling out is a very subjective term - there is a vast amopunt of leeway and good will that still goes on, and this is in effect paid for by getting a few mutlinationals to chip in and cover some running costs.

Some examples - when Bud were visible on-site for a couple of years recently, it raised many grumbles here - and yet....they paid for the bin tops. Thats all.....no huge banners, no massive ads, and no one made you order that brand at the bar, or indeed go in the bars that sold it. Same with Carlsberg now - there are many others available on site, but if you want a long, cold fizzy drink, then its one option.

In many apsects, GFL ( led by Mr E ) have taken the corporate shilling, but on their terms - so Q sponsor a daily paper and the info points. Is that a problem ? Sad as it is, I've got a draw full of the Galsto Daily paper right back to the Select ones from the mid 90's. I liike them. and I'm glad someone else pays - more ££ for me on-site.

Orange will charge your phone for £0 - a "service" to festy goers, but they aren't a charity - they have to pay for the kit, the staff and the space - so there has to be a payoff, somehow. Its to Micheal Eavis's credit he has these arrangements in place in a (relatively) subtle way - meaning the site still looks , on the whole, like the worlds biggest party -which of course, it is.

Two "pay-offs" spring to mind - the Tor Rugby Club stall (located just along from the cider bus) and the Street Sub Aqua club cafe ( in Family Camping ) These two local clubs are allowed prime sites, staffed by volunteers. Therefore, they raise ( literaaly) thousands of pounds each year to support local amenities. Its also worth pointing out that the Tor club sell chilled cans ( just ready for a shot of JD ) at 50 or 60p - literally half the price of the burger & chicken vans ( who uses them ?? ) for the self same item. They also do spot on chilli & wraps - very fresh, very nice and not at all expensive. Same is true of the tea and coffee in the kids field - 24hrs, not a rip off.

Without taking a few corporates on board, the festivals could not allow tiny, local clubs ( or traders like the many small one man band/co-op outlets in and around the Greenfields) to trade on site - they would need to charge them too much for the pitch - meaning higher food prices, meaning everyone pays.

The festivals has also had to comply with a vast number of Health and Safety issues - all well documented here and elsewhere. No compliance, no festival - so its not up for discussion. Mendip council would be duty bound to take away the licence.

If you simply plod between the pyramid stage, the other stage and the dance area - stopping of for a burger and a Carlsberg on the way, its easy to think the festivals is just a version of any other enormo-fest, but with a few flags and beardy types round the edges.

But its not - I would say its more like combining Womad, Cambridge, Shrewsbury and Guilfest into one big site, with multiple stages running top notch, incredibly varied music, theatre, comedy, film and performace stuff, then adding a huge array of markets stalls and food stalls, then finally, sticking a version of V or Leeds right in the middle for good measure (Pyramid and Other, JP and Dance Village)

As other have said - its had to evolve, but on the whole, the spirit remains.

[joshwarrr]

On old chestnut.......

2009 will be my 14th year. (at Glasto - I'm not 14 - in fact, quite the reverse !!)

...........

As other have said - its had to evolve, but on the whole, the spirit remains.