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[jameshunt]

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Who here would participate in a litter picking for beer token type scheme?

The more I think about it it may be a very workable project that would produce the desired results.

Tens of thousands of people are walking around on site at any given moment so it really wouldn't be a big deal to carry a couple of bags to a collection point you'd be passing anyway, the incentive of a bit of free beer may be all that is needed to kick start this.

[rockstar1967uk]

An incentive shouldn't be needed. More education and a social conscience is what is required.

Also, many numpties would simply fill the bags straight from the bins that many of us do use. What would they do then? Go to a bar and hand over bags of stinking rubbish in exchange for a pint? Or do they need to take them to a rubbish point and collect a beer token? In which case we'd need a system of beer tokens as well...

Personally I'd empower the green police to kick anyone littering out of the festival and kindly request that they don't bother coming back in future years.

[jameshunt]

I can hardly see them kicking 100,000 people out for littering. I can see you have thought that idea through.

[bamber]

That's two NOs then.

[gizmoman]

Back on Topic.

Who here would participate in a litter picking for beer token type scheme?

The more I think about it it may be a very workable project that would produce the desired results.

Tens of thousands of people are walking around on site at any given moment so it really wouldn't be a big deal to carry a couple of bags to a collection point you'd be passing anyway, the incentive of a bit of free beer may be all that is needed to kick start this.

[bamber]

An incentive shouldn't be needed. More education and a social conscience is what is required.

Also, many numpties would simply fill the bags straight from the bins that many of us do use. What would they do then? Go to a bar and hand over bags of stinking rubbish in exchange for a pint? Or do they need to take them to a rubbish point and collect a beer token? In which case we'd need a system of beer tokens as well...

Personally I'd empower the green police to kick anyone littering out of the festival and kindly request that they don't bother coming back in future years.

[LusciousLucy]

Whether the dear Sam Crawley actually meant what he said on page 7 directed at me I will let lie and categorically state right now that every single thing I have taken on site that doesnt get used (or lost!) goes home with me and with up to 3 trips in the past to get it all back...just did one and ignored the list this year! Oh and I hardly think that the 170,000 other folk who dont read the forums have been utilising and following the ideas on the 'list' thats for sure...see rest of thread for opinions of those people! So thanks for the nice attitude there mate!

Anyway...

what I have noticed totally lacking from this rather angry yet getting and going nowhere thread is talk about...

GFL's physical actions in attempting to stop this aftermath mess. Apart from laying out bins and attempting to give out a bin bag on arrival, there seems to really be a major f**k all is done throughout the weekend so that anywhere you go drums home the Love the Farm message. I may be wrong but I didnt see much if anything apart from a feeble message in the programme.

As it has been observed by pretty much everyone who went to the festy this year, the main stages were utterly rammed from Fri -Sun...surely it aint difficult to ditch one of the lovely but now getting on a bit Greenpeace etc videos and replace them with rather shouty and very visual videos about why we should tidy up? Maybe a cartoon cow telling his story+reaction, video blogs from the litter crew, images of turds and buckets of vomit in the tents, the Eavis being interviewed and all sorts of other easy yet simple in your face measures of getting people to perhaps sit up and listen? I have never seen a film about it...have vague recollections of something maybe in 07 but the rain kinda f**ked all that up.

Every year we go, every year it is the same...put 2+2 together...those vids do work to some extent and a shouty and nastily visual one may make a difference. Something on the lines of 'you wouldnt do it at your own house or mates place so why do it here?' Have Eavis trying to get into his house through a mountain of the garbage etc.

The LTFLNT message is a weak effort imo these days. And actually, tbh, the footage from this year isnt that bad compared to 07...blame the mega rains for that obviously.

But surely there are some very simple and easy ways of implementing getting the message seriously through? I remember the days...and it wasnt that long ago (unless I am getting muddled with other smaller festies I have attended over the years) where the camp crew would come around and offer further bin bags and make it clear which were for recyke and which were for rubbish. If the tents can and should be bagged up, then bloody well shout it from the heights, fly a bi-plane around the site with a bloody banner saying 'tidy the f**k up'...everyone loves a flypast with a message!

There have been some ace ideas bandied about:.

being handed an 'abandoned' tent tag...can I point out we used to get S&A Police security tags when we used to get a bag of goodies on arrival...now we get shoved a programme with no bag, then the lanyard then finally a bag...do you see why some of us bleat about the 'good old days'?

Maybe not a money discount but a definite system of perhaps being rewarded...I dont know...not going to put cat among pigeons but something was mentioned a couple of pages back.

Serious verbal messages and efforts by the crew and staff.

Cameras...loved that one!

And this is my one...its a bit crazy but it may get the message home and into the heads of the losers that think its their right to trash the joint?

How's about Eavis doesnt get the festy site prepared ready for our arrival next year? Leaves all the cow shit out and you have to bring a shovel to clear you own patch of camping ground up before you set up? Dump all of last year's rubbish back on site on the Tuesday for us to arrive to so that we get the damn message!!!???!!! Mad...but it would certainly run the message home wouldnt it???

There you go...my piece said. Keep the friendly banter up lovelies!

Edited July 14, 2009 by LusciousLucy

[jameshunt]

If people emptied bins far from the collection points and carried the bags in, they'd be helping to empty the bins at least. The bags in the scheme would be a different colour to the other ones so any bins near collection points could be easily monitored by stewards to prevent this. When you've brought in enough bags as stamped off on a card you are given when you take your first bags in, you collect a nice cold can of beer right there at the rubbish collection point, simple

[bamber]

They'd use the correct colour bag - well some would even fail that IQ test I suppose.

Emptying a bin to take it to somewhere else that would need to be collected might seem to you like a good idea. But taking rubbish straight from point A to point B without taking it to unnecessary points en route makes a lot more sense.

Most of those cans being handed out would likely be thrown on the ground once finished. By the way, have you worked out why cans of beer aren't sold on site yet?

[jameshunt]

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I have no idea why cans are not sold on site. I know non-alcoholic ones are. There are many thousands of cans brought to the festival so I don't know why they couldn't be used as part of an incentive scheme (and a really cold can of beer would be one hell of an incentive IMO)

[Billy09]

Because they are not environmentally friendly. They can be very dangerous missiles in a crowd. They take a lot of energy to create and the ones that get recycled use yet more energy in doing so.

Fortunately for those who do take them, Glastonbury has not banned cans............at least not yet. But don't expect them to start providing them.

[jameshunt]

They sell canned soft drinks I think, and certainly resealable bottles which make just as dangerous missiles.

[bamber]

As it has been observed by pretty much everyone who went to the festy this year, the main stages were utterly rammed from Fri -Sun...surely it aint difficult to ditch one of the lovely but now getting on a bit Greenpeace etc videos and replace them with rather shouty and very visual videos about why we should tidy up? Maybe a cartoon cow telling his story+reaction, video blogs from the litter crew, images of turds and buckets of vomit in the tents, the Eavis being interviewed and all sorts of other easy yet simple in your face measures of getting people to perhaps sit up and listen? I have never seen a film about it...have vague recollections of something maybe in 07 but the rain kinda f**ked all that up.

Every year we go, every year it is the same...put 2+2 together...those vids do work to some extent and a shouty and nastily visual one may make a difference. Something on the lines of 'you wouldnt do it at your own house or mates place so why do it here?' Have Eavis trying to get into his house through a mountain of the garbage etc.

There you go...my piece said. Keep the friendly banter up lovelies!

[FunkyDenz]

We don't need to get rid of videos, just add more videos to those that are shown.

They're on heavy rotation anyway so often get shown more than once between acts.

[LusciousLucy]

OK..dont ditch a vid...I didnt mean actually ditch one, oops and sorry...just add it to the ever increasing number that we have these days. But maybe make sure its the first one that goes up after the band and then play it again just before the next band is on to get full attention.

[bamber]

Some traders do. Although you'd have to drink a lot of caffeine before you lose control of yourself. It only takes a few beers for many in the crowd to lose control.

[jameshunt]

Are you not a drinker?

There are a lot of potential missiles at Glastonbury, burning log from a fire springs to mind, but thankfully there is a minuscule demand for them.

There are probably tens of thousands of cans of bear brought on site so a few extra introduced through an incentive scheme that would show a net decrease in litter on site wouldn't make a jot of difference but it would get around needing a token scheme.

There is some, but not a lot of difference in environmental terms between beer being transported on site via small thin aluminium cans to it arriving in great big thick aluminium cans in juggernauts then pumped to dispensers in a floodlit tent. Given that the scheme reduces litter and increases recycling then the overall impact on the environment is positive.

[bamber]

Do I drink? What is the relevance of that question? Do I litter? No. Do I prefer cask ales to canned ones? Yes.

Only a few cans from your proposed scheme would be handed out. Excellent.

There is a massive difference between a tanker that gets reused thousands and thousands of times before it needs to be recycled and the energy and resources needed to can each drink individually and then recycle those cans that make it back into the system.

Your scheme would not change the amount of waste that gets recycled from Glastonbury - merely the timing of it.

[FunkyDenz]

Your scheme would not change the amount of waste that gets recycled from Glastonbury - merely the timing of it.

[jameshunt]

Actually it could increase the amount of recycling, by ensuring that appropriate rubbish is put in the recycling prior to it being too damaged and being put in the landfill rubbish.

Also the aim is not just to increase recylcing, but to reduce the length of time that the litter pickers take to clear, thus increasing money to charities (inc Green Peace) Win Win for the environment.

[FunkyDenz]

Not all can be separated. If they have been crushed beyond recognition, trod in to the ground etc.

Think of a muddy year, and cups being trod in to the ground, no way are they being recycled.

With this scheme people will keep hold of more of the cups (not all) and stick them in a recycling bag.

[bamber]

It only takes a few beers for many in the crowd to lose control.

[bamber]

Not all can be separated. If they have been crushed beyond recognition, trod in to the ground etc.

Think of a muddy year, and cups being trod in to the ground, no way are they being recycled.

With this scheme people will keep hold of more of the cups (not all) and stick them in a recycling bag.

[jameshunt]

I don't think there could be much doubt that this scheme if fully implemented (whether it was incentivised or not) would increase the amount of material that was recycled...

[scorp]

we live in a "I, me, mine" society, and that vid sums it up.

how utterly depressing.

the hippies who attended the free fests or paid-for in the 1970s didn't leave their stuff behind...ditto for real hippies today.

hand glasto back to the hippies. they care.