shocking

[Redwinevino]

I remember that scheme - seemed to work well, although from what I remember used to be concern that some kids were being exploited to get free beers for others - I guess that's why they now do rewards in chocolate milk too...

Dullard litter/safety fact: Up until 2006, Roskilde used to sell crates of beer on-site with glass bottles...

Seriously tho, those guys know how to trash a festival site - on the last night, they go around smashing everything up and (historically) there was a lot of tent burning... hectic stuff sometimes involving big hammers and not necessarily enjoyable. When we eventually slept, it was with the tent door open.

Edited July 15, 2009 by Redwinevino

[philipsteak]

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On a side note. Was anyone else confused by the recycling bins around the site? I don't know how many times I stood in front of a group of bins wondering which to put whichever type of rubbish I had at the time in.

[Storm_NL]

Maybe you were the very drunk guy I saw on the Wednesday afternoon. He was swaying next to a group of bins, looking very confused as he tried to work out which one to put his can in. took him ages, but when he finally got it he gave himself a little round of applause and left with the biggest grin on his face, very proud of himself.

Did make me smile. Just hope he was still tring as hard on th Sunday.

Edited July 15, 2009 by Storm_NL

[cejx]

OK the beer can scheme is flawed. My original idea (bloody pages ago) was that people be encouraged to participate in this scheme out of altruism (and that got shot down too) I just can see that there must be a way to utilise all those man miles, all that carrying capacity, to move rubbish through the facilities more efficiently, reducing the number litter pickers required and releasing cash to the charities.

[amfy]

I just don't get how people think that their ticket price pays for someone to clear up after them.

I wouldn't consider someone picking up my rubbish to be included, any more than I would expect the ticket price to include someone to wash and dress me. That goes whether the ticket was £10 or £1000.

Put aside the cost or unpleasantness of clearing it up, or the environmental impact of wasted camping equipment that would still have a useful life if people could be bothered for a moment.

Picking up after yourself is basic adult self-care. Simple. That's why people should be ashamed.

[dirk4danger]

I'll just respond to the more intelligent replies and ignore the juvenile abuse.

There are more things to be concerned about in the world, and worse things which happen at Glastonbury. That is not to say we shouldn't be concerned about the litter and try to find solutions to resolve this, encouraging recycling, reducing use of landfills and saving money which is then given to charity.

There's a nice story which might explain what we are doing.

The litter at Glastonbury is our starfish. We can make a difference here, even if we can't make a difference to other starfish which represent world poverty, domestic violence, murder etc.

[TimS]

Do you mean the tent burning happened at Roskilde!! In 2008 there was none of that at all that I seen anyway, nicest people ive ever met festival wide and I inc Glastonbury in that (thou 2009 was my first year there)!

[Storm_NL]

Pretty much everyone does have my attitude.

[cejx]

Pretty much everyone does have my attitude. See the video at the beginning of this thread. What happens? The litter gets cleared up a few days after the festival according to the established plan by people happy to do the job. Shit, it's a disaster!

There is a common misconception among 'city folk' about farms. They think it's all about looking after the countryside and being at one with nature. I can tell you that most farmers are very commercially minded and will do what's necessary to make money. See Eavis enterprises. Why do you think there are far more battery chickens than free range? Why are crops sprayed with every chemical under the sun to increase yield? Money talks.

I'm going to try and not come back to this thread again. I'll leave you all to your romanticising.

Edited July 15, 2009 by cejx

[cejx]

Back to the discussion: Latitude Festival has a novel approach to save cups... Initially I thought "plastic?!? How's that environmentally friendly" but actually the scheme works a treat and we're still using the cups back at home.

Lattitude Reusable Plastic Cups

Unfortunately I can't see y'man Eavis going for it tho... (bit too much of a 'turn left to go right' approach)

[Storm_NL]

Back to the discussion: Latitude Festival has a novel approach to save cups... Initially I thought "plastic?!? How's that environmentally friendly" but actually the scheme works a treat and we're still using the cups back at home.

Lattitude Reusable Plastic Cups

Unfortunately I can't see y'man Eavis going for it tho... (bit too much of a 'turn left to go right' approach)

and quickly... I was at Latitude last year. the plastic cup thing working like a dream.

[scorp]

I'll just respond to the more intelligent replies and ignore the juvenile abuse.

Right. A starfish. In the nicest possible way I suggest you need to get out more.

Pretty much everyone does have my attitude. See the video at the beginning of this thread. What happens? The litter gets cleared up a few days after the festival according to the established plan by people happy to do the job. Shit, it's a disaster!

[TimS]

You could extend that idea....

Bring back the goodie bag on entry!

Include a special hard plastic Glastonbury pint cup in the bag (for free!).

[Storm_NL]

Unfortunately this puts a lot of plastic cups into circulation, based on the assumption that everyone wants to buy beer (this year was the first time I didn't buy a single beer all festival - call it preparation). If people don't need nor care for the cup, they will drop it.

Therefore better to have 2 quid deposit, which serves at least 4 purposes:

1/ people look after the cup (as they've paid for it and don't want to pay again)

2/ no refunded deposits cover the cost of supplying the cups and cleaning costs at the bars

3/ doesn't restrict the sales - which the above scheme would (no cup, no beer)

4/ only puts enough cups in circulation to meet demand

Latitude is this weekend; would be interesting to hear what people think of the scheme...

[bamber]

...but... if you were given the pretty cup when you came in the gate, if you weren't intending to use it, it would probably stay at your campsite, and be taken home as a souvenir.

In a way, similar to the glass you get at beer festivals. I've quite happily maintained a death grip on one of those over multiple days, surviving drunken travels home on public transport..

I wonder if there's a decent folding cup on the market that would surive 5 days' worth of pocket-stuffing?

I don't think the sales would be restricted, either. Very rarely is there a lull at one of the bars. A 10 minute detour wouldn't harm trade, but it would certainly make you think twice about losing your cup again.

If you were given a free cup on entry... 2 pounds for a replacement doesn't seem like enough to prevent excess droppage by some.

To my (warped) mind, locating cup supply points away from the drink supply points is genius!

[TimS]

I think the problem with reusable cups at Glastonbury is Health and Safety legislation which dictates that the cups have to be collected and washed after each use and can not just be re-filled which makes the scheme unworkable.

It is a shame.

[Storm_NL]

I think the problem with reusable cups at Glastonbury is Health and Safety legislation which dictates that the cups have to be collected and washed after each use and can not just be re-filled which makes the scheme unworkable.

It is a shame.

[bamber]

...and I'm sure not true. If Latitude can do this, then why not Glasto?

[bamber]

You should tell that to some pubs I've been in.

They commonly ask if you want it in the same glass, and the washing of glasses consists of a vague nod to the element presence of water.

I'm wondering how much of a "slosh" is required to meet this requirement.

[Storm_NL]

I think the difference at Glastonbury is you have Mendip council H&S officers on site just looking for excuses to fine the festival for even minor breaches of legislation.

[cejx]

I think the problem with reusable cups at Glastonbury is Health and Safety legislation which dictates that the cups have to be collected and washed after each use and can not just be re-filled which makes the scheme unworkable.

It is a shame.

[GingerRock]

I think the problem with reusable cups at Glastonbury is Health and Safety legislation which dictates that the cups have to be collected and washed after each use and can not just be re-filled which makes the scheme unworkable.

It is a shame.

[GingerRock]

All beer festivals (e.g. Camra run) that I've been to give you a glass on deposit (for like £2), which you can keep if you like. Each pint you buy is simply poured in the same glass, without washing or anything. There are (often) glass washing facilities if you're bothered. Or you can exchange your glass for a clean one.

You'd have thought they'd be subject to the same health and safety laws as glasto. Maybe not. Anyway...

So, my suggestion is to take something like that and make it more festival friendly - each bar has a separate point where you can collect a cup. Also maybe it charges you a deposit on the cup, like 20p. When you buy a beer, you must already have a cup. Maybe the cup collection places are just one per field or something, and are not tied to a particular bar. If you take an old cup back you can swap it for a clean one.

So hopefully most people having a session at a bar (e.g. brothers) will have at most one cup to dispose of, and ideally will go and get their 20p back, and will re-use that cup for their pints. Or maybe they'll crush the cup, put it in their pocket, and save it to trade-in later.

[GingerRock]

Er so basically what Ceyx, etc, have said about Latitude. Doh!

Edited July 15, 2009 by GingerRock

[Storm_NL]

OK, to refine my idea, and the latitude scheme:

Don't bother with good quality cups that you keep, needing collecting, washing out, etc. Just encourage people to take their old paper cup back to the bar. Don't serve people without an old cup (in whatever state). Exchange old cup for a fresh one with a pint in. Bin the old cup behind the bar. If you need a cup, you either (a) go to somewhere that hands them out (few and far between, maybe at a minimal cost), or ( you pick up a used one! Maybe cups can be returned to the cup-point for a refund - imagine how much you could make collecting cups from the Jazz World and returning them - hence imagine how clean it would be!