shocking

[Mikeydread]

All those green ethics you imagine people would have taken on board but just ignore. If that is leaving 'no trace' I'm a Frenchman! Why subject your farm to that year on year - utter madness.

[dirk4danger]

Corr. It rumbles on and on.

By 'environmentalism being the ultimate manifestation of our arrogance' I mean that we foolishly think that our scientific knowledge somehow qualifies us to 1. Understand the nature of a perceived problem 2. Solve the problem. I believe we are qualified to do neither.

The person who was talking about Darwin (and Hitler tbh) was correct in expanding on my view. We are part of a system so incomprehensibly large (in both time and space) that we will never understand it. To pretend that we can is laughably stupid and simply indicates how arrogant we have become.

Please don't mistake this for me having a go at anyone in this thread. The media throws this 'we know all' scientific viewpoint down our throats all the time. Schools teach it as fact.

All I ask is that you try and step back and think about how long the universe has existed (I'd suggest an unimaginable and probably infinite time) and how large the universe is (again, I'd suggest infinite). Now, how much difference are we ever going to make?!! In fact, could our behaviour (whatever it may be) be natural and attempting to analyse and modify it within our very limited knowledge be inevitably a futile exercise?

And one other thing, pease do not use 'my Oxford friends said this' type arguments. I makes you sound like a tool. I know several Oxbridge graduates who will openly tell me that they are of average intelligence and only got through it because they work hard and were willing to play the game. Within the system and of the system!

Edited July 17, 2009 by dirk4danger

[cejx]

Corr. It rumbles on and on.

By 'environmentalism being the ultimate manifestation of our arrogance' I mean that we foolishly think that our scientific knowledge somehow qualifies us to 1. Understand the nature of a perceived problem 2. Solve the problem. I believe we are qualified to do neither.

The person who was talking about Darwin (and Hitler tbh) was correct in expanding on my view. We are part of a system so incomprehensibly large (in both time and space) that we will never understand it. To pretend that we can is laughably stupid and simply indicates how arrogant we have become.

Please don't mistake this for me having a go at anyone in this thread. The media throws this 'we know all' scientific viewpoint down our throats all the time. Schools teach it as fact.

All I ask is that you try and step back and think about how long the universe has existed (I'd suggest an unimaginable and probably infinite time) and how large the universe is (again, I'd suggest infinite). Now, how much difference are we ever going to make?!! In fact, could our behaviour (whatever it may be) be natural and attempting to analyse and modify it within our very limited knowledge be inevitably a futile exercise?

And one other thing, pease do not use 'my Oxford friends said this' type arguments. I makes you sound like a tool. I know several Oxbridge graduates who will openly tell me that they are of average intelligence and only got through it because they work hard and were willing to play the game. Within the system and of the system!

[TG24]

All I ask is that you try and step back and think about how long the universe has existed (I'd suggest an unimaginable and probably infinite time) and how large the universe is (again, I'd suggest infinite). Now, how much difference are we ever going to make?!! In fact, could our behaviour (whatever it may be) be natural and attempting to analyse and modify it within our very limited knowledge be inevitably a futile exercise?

Edited July 17, 2009 by TG24

[Billy09]

Corr. It rumbles on and on.

By 'environmentalism being the ultimate manifestation of our arrogance' I mean that we foolishly think that our scientific knowledge somehow qualifies us to 1. Understand the nature of a perceived problem 2. Solve the problem. I believe we are qualified to do neither.

The person who was talking about Darwin (and Hitler tbh) was correct in expanding on my view. We are part of a system so incomprehensibly large (in both time and space) that we will never understand it. To pretend that we can is laughably stupid and simply indicates how arrogant we have become.

Please don't mistake this for me having a go at anyone in this thread. The media throws this 'we know all' scientific viewpoint down our throats all the time. Schools teach it as fact.

All I ask is that you try and step back and think about how long the universe has existed (I'd suggest an unimaginable and probably infinite time) and how large the universe is (again, I'd suggest infinite). Now, how much difference are we ever going to make?!! In fact, could our behaviour (whatever it may be) be natural and attempting to analyse and modify it within our very limited knowledge be inevitably a futile exercise?

And one other thing, pease do not use 'my Oxford friends said this' type arguments. I makes you sound like a tool. I know several Oxbridge graduates who will openly tell me that they are of average intelligence and only got through it because they work hard and were willing to play the game. Within the system and of the system!

[FunkyDenz]

By 'environmentalism being the ultimate manifestation of our arrogance' I mean that we foolishly think that our scientific knowledge somehow qualifies us to 1. Understand the nature of a perceived problem 2. Solve the problem. I believe we are qualified to do neither.

The person who was talking about Darwin (and Hitler tbh) was correct in expanding on my view. We are part of a system so incomprehensibly large (in both time and space) that we will never understand it. To pretend that we can is laughably stupid and simply indicates how arrogant we have become.

Please don't mistake this for me having a go at anyone in this thread. The media throws this 'we know all' scientific viewpoint down our throats all the time. Schools teach it as fact.

All I ask is that you try and step back and think about how long the universe has existed (I'd suggest an unimaginable and probably infinite time) and how large the universe is (again, I'd suggest infinite). Now, how much difference are we ever going to make?!! In fact, could our behaviour (whatever it may be) be natural and attempting to analyse and modify it within our very limited knowledge be inevitably a futile exercise?

[Crouchie]

this thread got really boring

[Crouchie]

This thread got really boring!

[haj]

You all pay a shit loada money to go to Glasto, you have a party, and go home at the end. Dont cry and get over it.

[cejx]

Crouchie... if its dull for you, don't bother reading it, and don't bother commenting...

Haj... please read the thread before making such 'informed' comments...

[philipsteak]

With all the 'it gets cleared up for us and I paid my £175' bullshit arguments can I just ask do you care that you live in a shitheap for 5 days instead of glorious green fields? No?

Do you care if any of the other 175,000 people you share those green fields with don't want to live in a shitheap for 5 days? No? I don't think you do. Now we're getting to the nub of it.

[rockstar1967uk]

I agree this thread is too boring now , in response to all the moaning c*nts on this i am defo gonna do a sh*t in my tent next year and leave it for the litterpickers.

[StoneCircle]

I agree this thread is too boring now , in response to all the moaning c*nts on this i am defo gonna do a sh*t in my tent next year and leave it for the litterpickers.

[Billy09]

I agree this thread is too boring now , in response to all the moaning c*nts on this i am defo gonna do a sh*t in my tent next year and leave it for the litterpickers.

[rockstar1967uk]

There we are then, Rockstar throwing in the towel with a post brilliantly demonstrating his level of maturity.

Come on Dirk, just you left now.

And Rockstar, if that is a promise, please do it on the Wednesday.

[Billy09]

Or i could do it in your tent on the wednesday and use your sleeping bag to wipe my ass

[rockstar1967uk]

brilliant, I guess that thoughtful contribution concludes things.

[danbailey80]

Or i could do it in your tent on the wednesday and use your sleeping bag to wipe my ass

Edited July 17, 2009 by danbailey80

[cejx]

Or i could do it in your tent on the wednesday and use your sleeping bag to wipe my ass

[Storm_NL]

Indeed it does ,

[cabstar]

One other thing I saw this year on a couple of occasions is a bunch of stewards or litter crew or whatever (can't remember who it actually was TBH) wandering round King's Meadow giving peeps a black bag and asking them to fill it with all the cr@p various immediately around them. Good idea, hope it worked and that peeps did help even it wasn't necessarily all their own cr@p ... rather than giving the guys handing out bags a bit of a mouthful or something along the lines of "I've paid for my ticket so I can enjoy myself not to work cleaning up cr@p" or similar.

[mikeb]

I went to Stonehenge to the Summer Solstice last month. On your way in you where given a carrier bagto put your rubbish in, guess what 3 hours later the whole site was swirling with unused carrier bags, what a great idea that proved not to be at a world heritage site!!!! If people cannot respect a world heritage site like Stonehenge how can you expect people to respect a dairy farmers cow field????

Edited July 18, 2009 by mikeb

[King Blue]

Felt overwhelmingly guilty about what I left there (I binned everything but left my bin bag where it was) and that I didn't divide up the recycling from the other rubbish, and that was only as I left the campsite. Seeing that video really hammers home the point- I will make much more of a point of clearing up my shit next year.

That said, to react in a manner which would see you disown the festival is insanely overreactive. I don't believe the aftermath, no matter how foul it is, negates the fun you had over the 5 days.

Edited July 19, 2009 by King Blue

[anoldhippie@60]

I agree, this was my first Glasto and the only thing that upset me was all the mess people left behind them, not just what was left after the festival but in front of the stages. I could not believe the mess in front of the pyramid stage. My mate and I always put our rubbish in the right bins or besde it if they were full. I am not sure but I think the tents if they are in good nick are sent to charities for use in devolping countries that need shelter. Its still not right though. I did notice alot of broken trolleys about. All the booze they had on them. See you all next year by the cider bus. I will be the old guy in a Rasta hat.

Edited July 19, 2009 by anoldhippie@60

[Breeze]

See thats the thing that gets me. That mess obviously didn't happen on Sunday night, which means that people had been living in a shit heap (by choice) at their campsites for a number of days. How is that good? You arrive, pitch your tent, take in the view and think 'I know what'll improve things around here, a big pile of rubbish outside my tent'