shocking

[Mardy]

there's an alarming amount of hypocrisy on this thread.

I don't like it.

I presume all of you walked/cycld to the festival, washed all your muddy gear by hand etc etc etc

ain't none of us perfect, and having a pop about this given the amount of waste most of produce in a year, I'm certainly not going to get on my high horse about it. it's depressing, a bit, but I bet if we went thorugh everbody's bins we'd find loads of stuff thrown away that didn't need to be.

bit of perspective eh?

[gizmoman]

there's an alarming amount of hypocrisy on this thread.

I don't like it.

I presume all of you walked/cycld to the festival, washed all your muddy gear by hand etc etc etc

ain't none of us perfect, and having a pop about this given the amount of waste most of produce in a year, I'm certainly not going to get on my high horse about it. it's depressing, a bit, but I bet if we went thorugh everbody's bins we'd find loads of stuff thrown away that didn't need to be.

bit of perspective eh?

[Stashbox]

Now people know.

Plain and simple, I will not be any part of Glastonbury Festival anymore.

I have met Mr Eavis and chatted, at least a dozen times during the 30 years I have been going to Worthy Farm. I stopped going to the festival after 2007.

In 2007 I was so ashamed , so embaressed , so distaught about the wilfull destruction dished out by the paying public, that I hid from him when he walked up to me and a group of festival goers. I could not face him. I was upset to be associated with the mess, that had been made of one of the most beautiful places in Somerset. The Vale of Avalon. A f**king temporary opencast rubbish tip. To do this , to do this and not know how wrong this is, to be any part of this, is wrong . To do this and know how wrong it is, but to do this and say, 'well it was not me, it was other people , other people who did this' is still wrong. People will have to make their own minds up about this, but if they cannot see why people are stopping going to the festival and are being replaced by an ignorant and stupid set of selfish bastards, then show them the video and ask them, 'could you look Mr Eavis in the eye and thank him for having you on his land' like I used to be able to do. Well could you ?

[Billy09]

there's an alarming amount of hypocrisy on this thread.

I don't like it.

I presume all of you walked/cycld to the festival, washed all your muddy gear by hand etc etc etc

ain't none of us perfect, and having a pop about this given the amount of waste most of produce in a year, I'm certainly not going to get on my high horse about it. it's depressing, a bit, but I bet if we went thorugh everbody's bins we'd find loads of stuff thrown away that didn't need to be.

bit of perspective eh?

[tvrobbie]

there's an alarming amount of hypocrisy on this thread.

I don't like it.

I presume all of you walked/cycld to the festival, washed all your muddy gear by hand etc etc etc

ain't none of us perfect, and having a pop about this given the amount of waste most of produce in a year, I'm certainly not going to get on my high horse about it. it's depressing, a bit, but I bet if we went thorugh everbody's bins we'd find loads of stuff thrown away that didn't need to be.

bit of perspective eh?

[caramello]

I dont think anybody should be allowed to leave site unless they dump a binbag full of crap each at the gates on the way out. Would be tough on peeps but hey thats the idea.....at least the fields near the gates would be cleaned up pretty sharpish!

[Jackman]

I agree, but let’s face it, at this festival their are loads of people don't give a flying....toss.

Any mate that come around to my BBQ and disrespected my grounds would become an acquaintance

No you don't have to expect / tolerate this, if you invited friends and family round to your house for a barbecue and they threw trash all over your house and garden would you have such a casual attitude? It's really no different all it needs is a bit a of respect and a minimum of effort to tidy up after yourself.

[VCK]

I'm not condoning what caused that video to be made as the place does look like a tip. But it's a festival and to be honest I expect to see some litter around, even if it is a festival which promotes green awareness. Bottom line is, the people who do this don't know what Eavis promotes.

Just for the record, I didn't litter once. I used the bins around the site and at my tent any rubbish would go into a plastic bag.

Edited July 10, 2009 by VCK

[Billy09]

Now people know.

Plain and simple, I will not be any part of Glastonbury Festival anymore.

I have met Mr Eavis and chatted, at least a dozen times during the 30 years I have been going to Worthy Farm. I stopped going to the festival after 2007.

In 2007 I was so ashamed , so embaressed , so distaught about the wilfull destruction dished out by the paying public, that I hid from him when he walked up to me and a group of festival goers. I could not face him. I was upset to be associated with the mess, that had been made of one of the most beautiful places in Somerset. The Vale of Avalon. A f**king temporary opencast rubbish tip. To do this , to do this and not know how wrong this is, to be any part of this, is wrong . To do this and know how wrong it is, but to do this and say, 'well it was not me, it was other people , other people who did this' is still wrong. People will have to make their own minds up about this, but if they cannot see why people are stopping going to the festival and are being replaced by an ignorant and stupid set of selfish bastards, then show them the video and ask them, 'could you look Mr Eavis in the eye and thank him for having you on his land' like I used to be able to do. Well could you ?

[Billy09]

I'm not condoning what caused that video to be made as the place does look like a tip. But it's a festival and to be honest I expect to see some litter around, even if it is a festival which promotes green awareness. Bottom line is, the people who do this don't know what Eavis promotes.

Just for the record, I didn't litter once. I used the bins around the site and at my tent any rubbish would go into a plastic bag.

[Mardy]

well all of you who've just typed these messages, I really hope you weren't using a pc

The average desktop computer with monitor requires at least 10 times its weight in fossil fuels and chemicals to manufacture, much more materials intensive than an automobile or refrigerator, which only require 1-2 times their weight in fossil fuels. Researchers found that manufacturing one desktop computer and 17-inch CRT monitor uses at least 240 kg of fossil fuels, 22 kg of chemicals and 1,500 kg of water – a total of 1.8 tonnes of materials.

the tents are very visible and it's not good, but it's no worse than the rest of us do all year.

6.7 million tonnes of food is thrown away by households in the UK every year.

Reducing food waste is a major issue and not just about good food going to waste; wasting food costs the average family £420 a year and has serious environmental implications too.

If we all stop wasting food that could have been eaten, the CO2 impact would be the equivalent of taking 1 in 5 cars off the road.

This looks bad cos it's in one place, I agree it's far from ideal, but some of the reactions on this thread are pretty hysterical.

Is it OK/better to throw this stuff away when you get home? can you explain why? (genuine question)

[Troop Dogg]

That video is terrible. Can't believe people just leave all their stuff behind. It also looks like they spend the weekend surrounded by litter as well. I like to go back to a clean and tidy camp every night, makes the weekend much more pleasant and enjoyable. We always have a rubbish sack or 2 and make sure everything goes into them and then taken to the bins.

However the litter situation at Reading and T in the Park is about 10billion times worse than Glasto. Last time I went to either of those festivals I thought I was in a nuclear war fallout zone or something. Awful places.

[mandypants]

It happens at every festival and its not a big deal so I dont see what the problem is just because its Glastonbury.

[nominaomi]

That video actually made me cry.

[rockstar1967uk]

What about the people who wash their wellies at the water point only to step back into the mud 30 seconds later , thats a worse issue in my opinion. So much for Water-aid eh. Theirs over 150,000 people onsite theirs gonna be mess just deal with it. So much hypocrisy in this thread you could go on all night.

[FunkyDenz]

That video was certainly shocking. I know that I contributed to some of that mess, we left rubbish bags at our campsite rather than placing them next to the bins, and we only sorted some of the recycling.

I feel guilty now, and wish that I had not been packing up the tents on only 1 hour's sleep, as that is what made me lazy and inconsiderate.

I have posted the video to my Facebook account, and hope that it is added to the main site and linked to next year's ticket sales so that everyone who wants to purchase a ticket has to watch it (or at least allow it to be on their screen) prior to purchase. It is a hard hitting message which might get across to a few more people, and reduce some of this rubbish for next year.

I can't imagine that it will come close to stopping everyone, or even effect a lot of people, but hopefully it will make a difference for some.

Can this video also be reposted in various places on this Forum next June, in the days leading up to the festival? We will need it to be refreshed in our minds.

EDIT - My friend went to Bonnaroo in America, and has left this comment on my Facebook site.

I was surprised at how clean Bonnaroo was. They had an amazing crew working constantly, they even had people sitting at the garbage cans and recycling bins making sure you knew where to put your different things. When we left, there was definitely things around, but not as much as I thought. Definitely not even close to that mess!

Edited July 10, 2009 by FunkyDenz

[gizmoman]

well all of you who've just typed these messages, I really hope you weren't using a pc

The average desktop computer with monitor requires at least 10 times its weight in fossil fuels and chemicals to manufacture, much more materials intensive than an automobile or refrigerator, which only require 1-2 times their weight in fossil fuels. Researchers found that manufacturing one desktop computer and 17-inch CRT monitor uses at least 240 kg of fossil fuels, 22 kg of chemicals and 1,500 kg of water – a total of 1.8 tonnes of materials.

the tents are very visible and it's not good, but it's no worse than the rest of us do all year.

6.7 million tonnes of food is thrown away by households in the UK every year.

Reducing food waste is a major issue and not just about good food going to waste; wasting food costs the average family £420 a year and has serious environmental implications too.

If we all stop wasting food that could have been eaten, the CO2 impact would be the equivalent of taking 1 in 5 cars off the road.

This looks bad cos it's in one place, I agree it's far from ideal, but some of the reactions on this thread are pretty hysterical.

Is it OK/better to throw this stuff away when you get home? can you explain why? (genuine question)

Edited July 10, 2009 by gizmoman

[puppetmode]

well all of you who've just typed these messages, I really hope you weren't using a pc

The average desktop computer with monitor requires at least 10 times its weight in fossil fuels and chemicals to manufacture, much more materials intensive than an automobile or refrigerator, which only require 1-2 times their weight in fossil fuels. Researchers found that manufacturing one desktop computer and 17-inch CRT monitor uses at least 240 kg of fossil fuels, 22 kg of chemicals and 1,500 kg of water – a total of 1.8 tonnes of materials.

the tents are very visible and it's not good, but it's no worse than the rest of us do all year.

6.7 million tonnes of food is thrown away by households in the UK every year.

Reducing food waste is a major issue and not just about good food going to waste; wasting food costs the average family £420 a year and has serious environmental implications too.

If we all stop wasting food that could have been eaten, the CO2 impact would be the equivalent of taking 1 in 5 cars off the road.

This looks bad cos it's in one place, I agree it's far from ideal, but some of the reactions on this thread are pretty hysterical.

Is it OK/better to throw this stuff away when you get home? can you explain why? (genuine question)

[Mardy]

Just stay at home and live in the dark and eat dog shit outside your front door. i'm sick of people, especially the media lumping everyone together. People have a right to be disgusted about such scenes without their lives being minutely critisized! Otherwise we all just think, "well, loads of people are going to leave shit so I might as well".

WE have a right to say what we want, I suppose the same way you have a right to come back with a lame answer. There is no other answer than to call the people who can't be arsed though. Even if its bag your shit up and leave it in a pile

[Buddhafish]

the tents are very visible and it's not good, but it's no worse than the rest of us do all year.

Edited July 10, 2009 by Buddhafish

[Billy09]

@ Mardy.

I don't buy a PC for a weekend and then chuck it expecting someone to dispose of it for me. It'll last me 5 years, not 5 days.

And it is better to dispose of it at home as then the cost of disposal is cheaper (bin men, not pickers on foot, and then rubbish sorters).

You sound like you care about this sort of stuff really, I don't really see much evidence of hypocrisy here, are you just playing Devils advocate?

[MJMilz14]

I cleared up all my stuff before I left, but was really shocked.

I had visions of it being really clean when everyone left, or at least thats what I had heard but to be honest it was just as bad as Reading.

Here's a bit of a mad fact for you... if everyone spent 4 minutes before they left clearing up there rubbish (roughly how long it took me to clear mine and put it in the bin) it would be the equivilant of one person spending 1 year and 10 days without sleeping or stopping to eat clearing it up! Realistically if one person was assigned that job and spent 12 hours a day on it, thats over 2 years work! In other words spending 3 or 4 minutes clearing a bit up, and the site would be pretty much clear.

The people responsible should hang there heads.

Edited July 10, 2009 by MJMilz14

[Mardy]

You made some good points in your post, but I've only picked out this line - what bothers me most is that Glastonbury is supposed to be a place where we are better than we are the rest of the year. That might sound like some kind of bullshit hippy ethic, but it used to feel that way, and still should/does to many.

I know there is a downer in this forum on people who've been going for a while having a whine about the good old days (and rightly so), but the chance to be somewhere better than the real world is what makes the place special now, for all the kids going for the first time, for all the old dudes coming back - they should have the chance to capture or recapture something of the essence of what made/makes the place so important. And that very much includes caring sufficiently about your neighbours and your environment not to leave your shit (figuratively and literally) for somebody else to clean up.

There was another thread about the festival moving on, and the people who now attend it to be the ones that define it. That's correct in my view. But if this video shows the the reality of that demographic shift then it needs debate.

I don't think I'm being hysterical.

[gizmoman]

I understand precisely what you're saying and regardless of what you think I am on the same side as most of you, but I think, from my experience of trying to change things in the workplace etc that the charge of hypocrisy is a very important one and quite a pertinent one.

I also think that the overreactions expressed by some people on this thread will entrench people's attitudes rather than giving them pause to reflect.

The biggest issue with educating people is that it's vital to work with them, to explain and to justify, not just label them as disgusting pigs.

Just my lame opinon though

and nobody has explained to me why it's better to carry these things home and then throw them away..

[Mardy]

@ Mardy.

I don't buy a PC for a weekend and then chuck it expecting someone to dispose of it for me. It'll last me 5 years, not 5 days.

And it is better to dispose of it at home as then the cost of disposal is cheaper (bin men, not pickers on foot, and then rubbish sorters).

You sound like you care about this sort of stuff really, I don't really see much evidence of hypocrisy here, are you just playing Devils advocate?