shocking

[puppetmode]

Just my lame opinon though

and nobody has explained to me why it's better to carry these things home and then throw them away..

[Mardy]

Well i'll repeat my answer A lot of the stuff WOULDN'T be thrown away as it is usable, they are just too lazy to take it back, and the stuff that was rubbish would be processed by your local council saving the festival money which (in theory at least) would go to charity.

[mikeb]

Thanks for posting that vid even if it is x lots. Maybe it might just make some of the lazy fcukwits think. But then again, it probably wont going by the "don't give a fcuk" attitude that even gets expressed on here by some peeps never mind in the world at large so to speak. 2 words sum it up really - fcuking disgusting although I have to say it looks a d@mn sight better than I was expecting to see mind you. Previous years have been a lot worse I think, not that that is in any small way some form of congratulation that it's better than it could have been ... it's still fcuking disgusting. Lazy, selfish, inconsiderate and antisocial tosspots.

I seem to remember seeing a figure of £150,000 being bandied around as being the cost for the clean-up in one recent year. I can't justify saying that or show evidence but I honestly do think that was the sort of figure quoted at the time. Assuming it actually is the right kinda magnitude, "no big deal then" I hear lots of peeps shout. It's only around a £1/head so nothing to worry about at all is it ! Well, £1/head may well be a trivial amount and all that but the very same £150,000 given to Mr.WaterAid rather than being wasted on clearing up and disposing of needless cr@p various would mean 10,000 peeps somewhere in the world having a sustainable supply of clean drinking water and basic sanitation instead. I know where I would prefer my £1 to be going and I would like to think that the majority of reasonable peeps would prefer likewise.

I wish there was a magic solution - other than simply not having the festival - but it's not just a Glasto problem. It's not even just a festivals in general problem. It's a fundamental attitude problem of seemingly a majority of peeps in general regardless of age, location, financial standing, education and just about everything else. A total lack of personal responsibility, no consideration whatsoever for anyone or anything except themselves ... and it's always someone else's problem isn't it. I agree with the earlier comment that "no one is perfect" but it's better to at least try to make an effort than not bother at all. Glasto may be better at dealing with the problem than most other festivals and the problem may not be as bad as at other festivals but again, that's not exactly a something to be proud of as it's still bl**dy ridiculous IMHO and there's no plausible excuse for it. I find it sad but am slowly getting used to it being a fact of life.

Edited July 10, 2009 by mikeb

[Buddhafish]

absolutely, I agree with pretty much everything there, I think we were talking bout this the other day on here with somebody and saying that for me, I love the things people do better at Glastonbury and I'm pleasantly surprised how much better thay are in lots of ways. This maybe isn't one of them, but there are plenty of other ways that are good.

As i said, this situation is not good, but perspective and rationality is vital if things are going to change, I think

[rockstar1967uk]

I left a 9 man tent , 4 sleeping bags , 4 airbeds , 4 broken chairs & 10 pills and 20 beers for the person who had to clean it up , it aint all bad for the volunteers really . I will certainly do the same next year again.

[Mardy]

Were all posting lame opinions

I do slightly agree that if there is a huge team ready to clear the mess up, a lot will be volunteers, then it will probably be better and less enviromentally destructive to leave the rubbish behind and let them deal with it.

I cant agree that tents and camping equipment should be used once and dumped though. as posted before.. its this capitalist/materialist age we live in where everything is cheap enough to not bother to think whether its worth saving. Its scary that a 'civalised, educated country' can have some people so unconcerned about the world they live in (this is aimed at the thoughtless people who have left eveything rather than the people giving opposite opinions)

[MJMilz14]

I cleared up all my stuff before I left, but was really shocked.

I had visions of it being really clean when everyone left, or at least thats what I had heard but to be honest it was just as bad as Reading.

Here's a bit of a mad fact for you... if everyone spent 4 minutes before they left clearing up there rubbish (roughly how long it took me to clear mine and put it in the bin) it would be the equivilant of one person spending 1 year and 10 days without sleeping or stopping to eat clearing it up! Realistically if one person was assigned that job and spent 12 hours a day on it, thats over 2 years work! In other words spending 3 or 4 minutes clearing a bit up, and the site would be pretty much clear.

The people responsible should hang there heads.

[Buddhafish]

I'm really not playing devil's advocate, I promise. I'm convinced that the solution to this issue/problem doesn't lie in getting het up on here sbout these tents, bad though it is. There are huge problems with, for example, people getting new cars when they don't need them (and god knows it's impossible to politicians gren initiatives seriously when they're encouraging people to buy new cars to kick start industry), food waste, mobile telephones (these really are a f**king disgrace, but most people upgrade every contract without thinking about it) etc etc, and with regard to the tents at Glastonbury, I'm not condoning it in the slightest, I'm trying to understand it as part of a wider trend and work out a practical sensible way to sort it.

[MJMilz14]

I cleared up all my stuff before I left, but was really shocked.

I had visions of it being really clean when everyone left, or at least thats what I had heard but to be honest it was just as bad as Reading.

Here's a bit of a mad fact for you... if everyone spent 4 minutes before they left clearing up there rubbish (roughly how long it took me to clear mine and put it in the bin) it would be the equivilant of one person spending 1 year and 10 days without sleeping or stopping to eat clearing it up! Realistically if one person was assigned that job and spent 12 hours a day on it, thats over 2 years work! In other words spending 3 or 4 minutes clearing a bit up, and the site would be pretty much clear.

The people responsible should hang there heads.

[mandypants]

I left a 9 man tent , 4 sleeping bags , 4 airbeds , 4 broken chairs & 10 pills and 20 beers for the person who had to clean it up , it aint all bad for the volunteers really . I will certainly do the same next year again.

[gizmoman]

This threads not really about trying to get across a wider environmental message, it's simply a case of saying 'put your rubbish in the bin / binbag, it's something a 5 year old can understand if people don't realise they are doing wrong by throwing their litter everywhere they must be mentally subnormal. Does anyone on here that DID litter want to present a rational argument for why they shouldn't have to bother putting their rubbish into binbags?

[Spider43]

I think the question of whether it is better to go to landfill ain Somerset or when you get home is a moot point. If people could be arsed to pack up their tents/sleeping bags/gazebos then they wouldn't get them home then decide to bin them, they'd be used again. It's just laziness that makes people leave them there...

[VCK]

As I said, the site does look a mess in that video but the way some people have been speaking about those responsible, you'd think they're as bad as rapists and murderers. I doubt any of them are evil masterminds who, when they throw a discarded chip tray on the ground, announce "Yes! Now my plan to eradicate the enviroment as we know it and to destroy all living creatures is finally underway! MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!"

Not trying to trivialise it, I'm just saying that people need to calm down a little.

[Mardy]

As I said, the site does look a mess in that video but the way some people have been speaking about those responsible, you'd think they're as bad as rapists and murderers. I doubt any of them are evil masterminds who, when they throw a discarded chip tray on the ground, announce "Yes! Now my plan to eradicate the enviroment as we know it and to destroy all living creatures is finally underway! MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!"

Not trying to trivialise it, I'm just saying that people need to calm down a little.

[grandadcollective]

well all of you who've just typed these messages, I really hope you weren't using a pc

The average desktop computer with monitor requires at least 10 times its weight in fossil fuels and chemicals to manufacture, much more materials intensive than an automobile or refrigerator, which only require 1-2 times their weight in fossil fuels. Researchers found that manufacturing one desktop computer and 17-inch CRT monitor uses at least 240 kg of fossil fuels, 22 kg of chemicals and 1,500 kg of water – a total of 1.8 tonnes of materials.

the tents are very visible and it's not good, but it's no worse than the rest of us do all year.

6.7 million tonnes of food is thrown away by households in the UK every year.

Reducing food waste is a major issue and not just about good food going to waste; wasting food costs the average family £420 a year and has serious environmental implications too.

If we all stop wasting food that could have been eaten, the CO2 impact would be the equivalent of taking 1 in 5 cars off the road.

This looks bad cos it's in one place, I agree it's far from ideal, but some of the reactions on this thread are pretty hysterical.

Is it OK/better to throw this stuff away when you get home? can you explain why? (genuine question)

[gizmoman]

As I said, the site does look a mess in that video but the way some people have been speaking about those responsible, you'd think they're as bad as rapists and murderers. I doubt any of them are evil masterminds who, when they throw a discarded chip tray on the ground, announce "Yes! Now my plan to eradicate the enviroment as we know it and to destroy all living creatures is finally underway! MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!"

Not trying to trivialise it, I'm just saying that people need to calm down a little.

[mandypants]

I think the question of whether it is better to go to landfill ain Somerset or when you get home is a moot point. If people could be arsed to pack up their tents/sleeping bags/gazebos then they wouldn't get them home then decide to bin them, they'd be used again. It's just laziness that makes people leave them there...

[Mardy]

To be honest I've thought they should offer a pre-pitched tent service for a while now. It would stop over crowding save people who don't want to carry stuff...carrying stuff make money for the festival have tents for charity etc etc you know what I'm on about.

If I just swallowed the bait feel free to reel me in.

[ferraristu]

I left a 9 man tent , 4 sleeping bags , 4 airbeds , 4 broken chairs & 10 pills and 20 beers for the person who had to clean it up , it aint all bad for the volunteers really . I will certainly do the same next year again.

[tvrobbie]

As I said, the site does look a mess in that video but the way some people have been speaking about those responsible, you'd think they're as bad as rapists and murderers. I doubt any of them are evil masterminds who, when they throw a discarded chip tray on the ground, announce "Yes! Now my plan to eradicate the enviroment as we know it and to destroy all living creatures is finally underway! MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!"

Not trying to trivialise it, I'm just saying that people need to calm down a little.

[Spider43]

If you really didn't want the stuff any longer there are websites like Freecycle where you can get rid of all sorts, mine frequently has Wanted posts for camping gear. It's pure laziness, pure and simple.

[Funkfarley]

That video is shocking. There is no denying it.

I always leave early, sunday evening or early monday morning and i have never seen the site without all the tents there pitched and occupied.

Now. We pack up our tents, all our stuff, we look after all that is ours and we have never had a broken chair, we pack all our rubbish into the right bags and on our way out we leave our bags by the bins for collection. Our little campsite is always left spotless.

This does not make me green or even environmentally friendly. I drive a car, I fly on holiday and yes, I type this from a Laptop PC (Albiet a 5 year old Laptop).

I do make an efffort here and there. I recycle where I can, I am loathe to take anything to the tip that has to go in the non-recyclable waste and I compost all food waste.

I judge people by my own standards and leaving land - which doesnt even belong to the Eavis family in some cases! - in that disgusting state is downright disrespectful. Although saying that I did meet a fair few cnuts at Glasto this year.

It takes no effort to tidy up after yourself and even if you can't be arsed to take everything home at least just pack it up so it can be passed on.

Its been said before and just for the record i'm gonna say it again - You should be ashamed if you left your crap behind.

The video saddened me but the before and after pics on the official site made me cry. They have done such a good job - im utterly amazed.

Well done you guys. Seriously - good job.

[rockstar1967uk]

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[ferraristu]

Hardly a troll , as you can see ive been a member of this forum for about 5 years longer than you so get a life and let people express their opinion right or wrong.

[grandadcollective]

that's a superb, practical suggestion, I love it. and is exactly what's needed. Could make a lot of money for charity and help cut down on waste. Brilliant.

as for the hypocrisy charge, I'm passionate about it, did you see that thing with Branson et al trying to push the environmental message the other week? a man who runs a f**king airline? Regardless of how correct the message was, ots of the target audience are not going to take it from him, it's identical to hotels telling you that we shouldn't wash our towels to save the nvironment when you know that it's only because they want to save money.

I think it's vital that if you're trying to get people to change their ways, you don't lay yourself open to charges of hypocrisy because nothing, absolutely nothing will destroy the message quicker. It's a phenomenally dangerous trap when you're trying to win people over because it makes it incredibly easy for people to then ignore the message.