shocking

[FunkyDenz]

Sounds good, but that word 'corporate' is going to get a lots of glasto backs up

[markeee]

Sounds good, but that word 'corporate' is going to get a lots of glasto backs up

[harper11]

its seems to be some of the younger people 17-20 that just never clean up from the word go

all their beere cans, shitty disposable bbqs, used wet wipes just flng all over their camp site

its not really an enviroment issues as such

is people are willing to leave their tent behind they would probably thorw it away anyway

so it its doesnt matter that its left in a field other than someone has to tidy up

but they have done an great job and very fast

[Rufus Gwertigan]

I am actually shaking my head at the righteous indignation. I have been going since 2003 and have always left on the Tuesday or later, and I have seen the aftermath, and it has been the same year in year out. On a wet year it is actually worse, as more people just up and leave.

Balls to this blaming corporations etc, thats a lame excuse, it is the people buying the shite that are to blame. At a couple of festivals I work for a friend who runs litter and recycling. During the festival my job was to wander the campsite with bags, and encourage people to recycle, and keep their shit bagged up. Also ask people that if they are going to leave their tent to bag it up. Also the litter crews go through the tented areas of the campsite now and again. Admittedly that was for a 15 to 20k festival, but the principles could be passed on to a larger scale. However we no longer do that anymore due to financial constraints. He has had is budget cut, and as I understand it many contractors at Glastonbury did as well. Time is money

I know a bit about environmental issues, and I have to admit in my view we are well passed the stage of stopping this, or even educating people. That is not to say don't try, but what needs to be set in place is a way to manage this, and in a cost effective way, that is environmentally cost effective and financially viable.

On average I attend between 8 and 10 festivals a year, and the only ones that don't have a lot of waste are relatively new ones, that have hammered it into their customer base from day one, e.g Sunrise and Bearded Theory. As I have said, I honestly believe that with the customer base of Glastonbury at the moment there is little chance to educate people. We are on a forum, but even when GFL had there own forums our numbers represent a small percentage of festival goers, although it is clear that we still have the same spectrum of punters.

As to a management plan I have no real idea. Maybe consider having paying people to enter the fields from 6 am, to wander and shame people into dismantling or tidying up, but I can see that pissing many folk off. There are alot of tired and down people on a Monday, and I can see love been lost very quickly. Maybe helpers with trolleys to the car parks? Deposit scheme at the gate. i.e you pay a fiver for every tent you bring in, repayable on leaving (that is unworkable I think). Definately at the gates and around the campsites posters of the aftermath, and that may affect 5 to 10% of folk. But as seen in the video, many people have come with the intention of leaving crap behind (using a tent as a toilet), and we have to be honest many of these will be regular festival goers.

Just to add, I always laugh at the irony of having an environmetal argument over the internet, what a crazy World eh??

[mandypants]

i don't see why, plenty of companies involved in glasto now, whether people like it or not:|

[Rufus Gwertigan]

It doesn't overly bother me personally, but you must admit that there are an element who get right up on their high horses about corporate sponsorship at festivals.

[beodeejay]

Thats a shocking film - although like the crowd shots on TV - the actual density of the mess is not as bad as it looks from footage shot sideways on - at head height. there were several repeats shots too - making it look a bit worse than maybe it was

That said - people are real pigs sometimes.

We camped at the Family field - and by late Sunday PM there was a lot of grass, and nothing like that mess.

Predictably, from what I was a lot of that footage was from the South East side - around the other stage, & Dance village - and as others have posted, the young'uns are a messy bunch.

Its sad but true that the demographic there - late teens, early twenties singletons are, sadly, more inclined to camp/live in/ leave crap everwhere. My 17 year olds bedroom is proof of that !!

Human nature - simple as that. Even at Glasto there are some selfish, lazy arses who will simply not think about tidying up.

Maybe there should be a big PR push, in addition to leave no trace, whereby a clearly marked area is designated next year, where packed away tents, unwanted chairs/airbeds etc can be left in one place, making recycling/passing on/collection easier from Monday morning onwards.

People who can't be arsed carrying back to the car may be tempted to walk a few hundred yards to a recycling point where bagged up stuff can be left.

But..... it will always be the case some people are just scruffy, dirty mingers.

You can see the state of some tents on Thursday evening - crap everywhere, open food, used socks - just trampy behaviour - and theyve got to sleep in it for at least three more nights !!! So what chance is there of a thorough tidy up on Sun / Monday ?? None.

Proud to say our circle of 6 tents, with five teenagers and seven adults left nothing more than wilted grass tent footprints. It took maybe 1 hour to pack up and tidy up.

Edited July 11, 2009 by beodeejay

[danbailey80]

shame your a tit

[kerplunk]

I've always left late on monday so I'm perhaps a little less shocked by it than some who haven't seen it like that before. I'd say this year was better than last year and certainly a whole lot better than '07. Looking at the video 95% of people took their tents home and a majority did tidy their pitch so the write up to the video is a bit unfair to say "A festival created by people who care, for people who mostly don't". It only takes minority to leave their rubbish scattered about to make it look like that.

Not excusing it - just sayin.

Anyway here's my yearly outing of a picture of Pennards taken monday evening 1993.

quite a bit tidier than these days with well bagged up rubbish dotting the field, although pennards had less people in it back then, camping equipment wasn't so cheap and it was commonplace for people to bring their cars in for the pack down which probably makes a difference.

(cotton ridge tent on left is mine and I still have it, but knackered folding chair on right got left behind)

[danbailey80]

To be honest I've thought they should offer a pre-pitched tent service for a while now. It would stop over crowding save people who don't want to carry stuff...carrying stuff make money for the festival have tents for charity etc etc you know what I'm on about.

Edited July 11, 2009 by danbailey80

[mouth]

this is depressing viewing. it annoys me so much, its not hard to pack your stuff up and bag your rubbish. the problem is on these boards were all glasto keeno's. we all chat constantly about how much we love the festival and id imagine the majority of us make sure we clean up after ourselves and make sure our friends do. sadly having watched this it seems as though we are a minority.

[KeithUK]

Whoa! I would hate to be the guys who have to pick all that up.

[sinhala]

For me, this is just another reason to reduce the numbers back to pre-2007 levels - ie. by the 25,000 extra tickets.

The site is obviously not up to handling the numbers it does now, meaning that all on-site resources are stretched to the limits, thus allowing the newer (maybe one-time visitors) to feel no guilt about how they treat the place.

Those of us who go every year, and are addicted and love the place, treat the farm with a lot more thought and care.

[FunkyDenz]

You can see the state of some tents on Thursday evening - crap everywhere, open food, used socks - just trampy behaviour - and theyve got to sleep in it for at least three more nights !!! So what chance is there of a thorough tidy up on Sun / Monday ?? None.

[Rufus Gwertigan]

Hardly a troll , as you can see ive been a member of this forum for about 5 years longer than you so get a life and let people express their opinion right or wrong.

[Funkfarley]

How the f**k did I miss this post.... Well I have a higher post count than you, so by your own logic that makes you a c**t...

[r0cky]

Maybe helpers with trolleys to the car parks? Deposit scheme at the gate. i.e you pay a fiver for every tent you bring in, repayable on leaving (that is unworkable I think).

[mandypants]

For me, this is just another reason to reduce the numbers back to pre-2007 levels - ie. by the 25,000 extra tickets.

The site is obviously not up to handling the numbers it does now, meaning that all on-site resources are stretched to the limits, thus allowing the newer (maybe one-time visitors) to feel no guilt about how they treat the place.

Those of us who go every year, and are addicted and love the place, treat the farm with a lot more thought and care.

[Mardy]

hehehe, over the last week I've started compiling a list, based on things from efestivals threads

Factors which have no influence on whether you're a c**t or not

1)Your age

2)The number of posts you've made

3)whether or not you get a ticket for Glastonbury

[Rufus Gwertigan]

hehehe, over the last week I've started compiling a list, based on things from efestivals threads

Factors which have no influence on whether you're a c**t or not

1)Your age

2)The number of posts you've made

3)whether or not you get a ticket for Glastonbury

Edited July 11, 2009 by Rufus Gwertigan

[Mardy]

Don't forget as well the plain fact that you are just a c**t.

Sorry I was not aimimg that at you mate

[mikeb]

Hmmmmm, not so much of the *must* be late teens/20's guys and/or singletons and other somewhat generalised assumptions thank you very much And that's coming from one very olde farte rather than one of said group singled out for the wagging and accusing finger in several posts above. I've seen groups of v.young peeps turn what looked more like a bomb or landfill site from early Weds to late Sun into something pretty reasonably pristine early Mon morning before leaving and that's despite me almost expecting the sh*t heap to remain on site when they left it has to be said !

From my experience of peeps camped fairly close to me each year who blatantly abandon cr@p various on site ... age and status so to speak is pretty d@mn irrelevant it seems. The only grounds for suggesting it's mainly younger peeps is because I guess there are generally speaking more younger peeps on site ! I've witnessed practically everyone from <18y/o to way older than me leaving their cr@p behind most years. But the thing that seriously pi$$es me right off is that it's often bl**dy obvious that they came with the intention of doing it. In fact some peeps have even said that to me at some point or I've overheard them telling someone on the phone that they're leaving some or all of it behind. It's only a festival and a few quid so who cares and all that. Gave some (admittedly snobby sounding and young) girl a right mouthful one year after she'd spent 20 mins on the phone telling presumably her parents (and half the campsite) what a great time she'd had and that she and her mate were coming home now but leaving the new tent, sleeping bags, loads of clothes, blah, blah, blah behind cos they were a bit muddy or just dirty and stuff. But apparently it was no prob cos she could so easily buy more stuff for some other festival they were going to shortly after. Didn't get a sensible response needless to say and the cr@p still got left of course.

As soon as I see at least one old, knackered or damaged tent and apparently unused tent going up amongst others, I could almost put money on it being left behind filled with all the cr@p no one wants the hassle of taking home or disposing of sensibly. Similarly with 1 or more fairly cr@ppy old looking tents getting squeezed in around me despite the lack of space to put them up sensibly on Thurs/Fri, there's usually a way better than evens chance of the occupants disappearing early(ish) on Sun but the tents and cr@p various remaining behind. The rucksacks all go off to the car Sun morning and when they come back and head off to see some band or other, chances are that's the last you'll see of them.

Camping on your own as I generally do, you always tend to get the late arrivals and often the more dubious types squeezing their stuff in like all around you and not bothering to clear up it seems. I always seem to end up leaving at stupid o'clock Mon having left a very small amount of my general rubbish (mostly dog ends, fag packets and munchies wrappers various) in a black bag plus at least 1 bag full of cr@p various that had been left lying around my tent by those surrounding me as well as seeing several almost certainly abandoned or generally wrecked tents every year so far anyway In a wet/muddy year it's probably at least an order of magnitude worse than the vid shows because on Sun/Mon peeps decide that getting off site ASAP with no unnecessary messing around is what's needed. One trip to the car max - anything old or not that good or can't be taken in one trip simply gets left. I've heard many 'debates' between groups of peeps on what's going to have to be left cos it would mean more than one trip to the car otherwise.

Edited July 11, 2009 by mikeb

[Elstra]

that is gross!

might hang around next year and take some of these tents back with me!

geee's, you could sell half of this stuff and pay the people that's picking it up

left a cooker this year, near a bin had no idea what to do with it! after it had been smashed by someone.

[Ponyegg]

that is gross!

might hang around next year and take some of these tents back with me!

geee's, you could sell half of this stuff and pay the people that's picking it up

left a cooker this year, near a bin had no idea what to do with it! after it had been smashed by someone.

Edited July 12, 2009 by Ponyegg

[ukslim]

One thing that occurs to me is that people seem willing to bring huge loads of stuff to the festival, meaning they struggle in laden with lots of huge bags, many making multiple trips back to their car to get more stuff. People arrive early on Wednesday and go back to their car to fetch more crap throughout the day.

It's no surprise, then, when on Monday morning, with the prospect of a bath ahead, with stewards trying to get people out ASAP, tired out from partying, they're strongly motivated to make a single trip with a light load - by leaving stuff behind.

Somehow, people need to be persuaded to bring less stuff. If you can carry it in easily, you can carry it out easily.

All I can think of is something to that effect in the Fine Guide: "Remember that everything you bring, and everything you buy, you'll have to carry back out, so pack light".