Ringo_Spar Posted September 30, 2009 Report Share Posted September 30, 2009 This isn't health and safety gone mad? are you crazy? Why weren't fires banned 30 years ago? Please don't go on about people were different back then, that’s absolute rubbish.. Health and safety is taking over the world Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markeee Posted September 30, 2009 Report Share Posted September 30, 2009 Whilst I wholeheartedly agree that if morons hurt themselves through their idiocy that's there choice, it's not just themselves they are endangering. Once again, how many more times does it need to be spelled out to you. When an "angry mob" is picking up a tent, including it's occupants and attempting to throw it on a fire, then it's not just these idiots hurting themselves. Similarly an exploding gas canister can travel quite a distance and stands a good chance of maiming plenty of people other than the idiot that chucked it into the fire. Can't you see that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benissright Posted September 30, 2009 Report Share Posted September 30, 2009 Some people here seem to have never started a fire at reading in their lives. Firewood takes a f**king age to burn and get lit. It is a fuel, not a firestarter. Tents on the other hand, are the exact opposite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eFestivals Posted September 30, 2009 Report Share Posted September 30, 2009 Fires banned at reading? ridiculous, and it's not going to do anything! Why do people just casually accept the restrictions which are taking place... it's just taking our freedom away from us, what boring lives we are going to live! I wish we'd stop acting like lemmings. erm .... if fires were banned at Reading it *would* do something - it would stop the fires that are (by the actions of some involved) causing distress to a significant number of campers. I have sympathy for the view that it would punish those who don't cause trouble, but from the festival's side a blanket ban is far easier to police, and that problem which is undermining the festival's reputation would be gone. It could be said that if the sensible ones with fires want to keep being able to have fires, then they need to start to take an amount of responsibility for the fires with disorder too. The simple fact is that self-policing works far better than any external policing, and if the attendees chose to tackle these issues themselves then the situation gets resolved in the best way overall for everyone. All the while those people chose to look at it as someone else's problem, someone else will also get to set the solution - and I reckon we can all have a good idea of what that solution will be. All the above aside, while banning fires would undoubtedly end the problems associated with fires, it runs the risk of simply causing something else to then be the problem, as those causing the disorder move onto something else with which to cause disorder. And so we're back in essentially the same place, until such time as the festival folds or the 'good' festival goers stand up for themselves against those who cause the trouble. I've been saying this for many years and it remains as true now as it always did: the solution is in own hands if you chose to implement it. Running scared and expecting others to sort it out for you is not any solution. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
micawber Posted September 30, 2009 Report Share Posted September 30, 2009 i find that statment very stupid. would you rather the country be thrown into some sort of anarchism i assure you that will be a lot worse then what we have in place now. Thats the problem with this country we actually have a pretty good goverment but people are jumping on the band wagon and dont want to admit it. and you are losing the plot man, comparing this to a campfire at a festival. is it a nessecity? no. Is it going to change the festival? maybe but only for the better. the pros outweigh the cons mate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eFestivals Posted September 30, 2009 Report Share Posted September 30, 2009 the gas canisters..deff glad they're banned, i personally wouldn't want to be anywhere near anyone would that had one, way too dangerous to be at festivals.. to paraphrase GLC: gas canisters don't kill people, people do. There is no inherent danger with gas canisters. Festivals all around the country allow them without there being any problems whatsoever. There is only an issue with gas canisters at Reading because of some of the morons that go to Reading. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
504329lt Posted September 30, 2009 Report Share Posted September 30, 2009 i find that statment very stupid. would you rather the country be thrown into some sort of anarchism i assure you that will be a lot worse then what we have in place now. Thats the problem with this country we actually have a pretty good goverment but people are jumping on the band wagon and dont want to admit it. and you are losing the plot man, comparing this to a campfire at a festival. is it a nessecity? no. Is it going to change the festival? maybe but only for the better. the pros outweigh the cons mate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kev1664 Posted September 30, 2009 Report Share Posted September 30, 2009 This isn't health and safety gone mad? are you crazy? Why weren't fires banned 30 years ago? Please don't go on about people were different back then, that’s absolute rubbish.. Health and safety is taking over the world, and we won't be able to leave our houses eventually because we might fall over.. These people aren't children; they are independent people, why should they ruin it for the majority? If these people hurt themselves then that’s there choice! and the police should target the individual, not everyone! That’s the point I’m trying to make..! Just like cars, when people misbehave on the road, all cars aren't banned; the individual either gets banned or has points put onto his licence, depending on the offensive caused. Fires banned at reading? ridiculous, and it's not going to do anything! Why do people just casually accept the restrictions which are taking place... it's just taking our freedom away from us, what boring lives we are going to live! I wish we'd stop acting like lemmings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biffoire Posted September 30, 2009 Report Share Posted September 30, 2009 So banning people from having fires is going against their human rights? Anyone who thinks that has seriously lost perspective on this issue! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kev1664 Posted September 30, 2009 Report Share Posted September 30, 2009 Why would anarachism be worse than what we have now? You may think we have a good government. I expect the relatives of the thousands murdered by this government in Iraq may have a different opinion. This government has slowly been taking away liberties that the English have spent the the last 1000 years fighting for. Things that I took for granted growing up, ie. innocent to proven guilty are consigned to history. If people want to have fires good luck to them, ban or no ban. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hearing_aid Posted September 30, 2009 Report Share Posted September 30, 2009 So banning people from having fires is going against their human rights? Anyone who thinks that has seriously lost perspective on this issue! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hearing_aid Posted September 30, 2009 Report Share Posted September 30, 2009 For an example of where the government is going to far see here: http://www.nme.com/news/ipod/47570 As far as I'm aware European MP3 players are already quieter than their US counterparts but this is stupid I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
504329lt Posted September 30, 2009 Report Share Posted September 30, 2009 The americans are to blame forthe Iraq war but: You do realise that there were plenty if not more killings in Iraq before we went in of innocent people, have you not heard of the attrocitys of Genecide that Sadam brought? We are doing it for the benefit of the Iraqi people, do they not deserve a chance for democracy in their own country? These people were being murdered for having their own views. Its not as if we are going in and killing innocent people, We are trying to give them a right to live a life that isn't in fear of government! Fair enough it should not be up to us to do that but we signed up to NATO to protect these people. If we can make a difference in their countries maybe they will no longer need to seek asylum here in fear of their lives! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biffoire Posted September 30, 2009 Report Share Posted September 30, 2009 They are allowed fires in Iraq! And they have barely any human rights! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul ™ Posted September 30, 2009 Report Share Posted September 30, 2009 They are allowed fires in Iraq! And they have barely any human rights! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biffoire Posted September 30, 2009 Report Share Posted September 30, 2009 Probably a nicer place to be on the Sunday night of Reading Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TalkShow Bob Posted September 30, 2009 Report Share Posted September 30, 2009 to paraphrase GLC: gas canisters don't kill people, people do. There is no inherent danger with gas canisters. Festivals all around the country allow them without there being any problems whatsoever. There is only an issue with gas canisters at Reading because of some of the morons that go to Reading. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eFestivals Posted September 30, 2009 Report Share Posted September 30, 2009 There banned at download too. If you re-read what I posted carefully, you'll notice that it doesn't exclude canisters being banned at other fests. It was worded exactly as it was precisely because I wasn't sure if they were banned elsewhere or not, and couldn't be bothered to check. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JameSemajj Posted September 30, 2009 Report Share Posted September 30, 2009 Can you not see that its not about the dicks hurting themselves, its about them hurting the other innocent people in the festival. TBH I'm not a fearful person, and I'm not really scared about these fires, however it is inevitable that in the end someone will be hurt. When this happens then the festival will be liable, and will more than likely be shut down by the HSE, meaning that the festival will no longer go ahead! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dakyras Posted September 30, 2009 Report Share Posted September 30, 2009 Well.. I agree with you to an extent, If their was one incident, Reading would be taken away from, and we don't want that, however it really makes me angry when these people don't consider 40 years of fun and pleasure by millions of festival goers throughout time, but just one incident... and it's taken away from us......! And regarding hurting other people, well... thats life i'm afraid, You could get run over tommorow..it really isn't worth worrying about. It doesn't take alot to see a fire and that it may course harm to you. Just walk away... and I can garrantee, people under the influence of alcohol are alot more dangerous than a fire (which is put out by the fire squad after 5 minutes) You wouldn't have the oppotunity to run if someone stuck a neadle in your arm! I could go on and on and on... And one last point, when you buy a ticket, you are fully aware of the possible dangers, you don't have to go! no-one is forcing you to buy a ticket! don't go if your so concerned! people like you just want to ruin it for us all! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brighteyes Posted September 30, 2009 Report Share Posted September 30, 2009 And regarding hurting other people, well... thats life i'm afraid, You could get run over tommorow..it really isn't worth worrying about. It doesn't take alot to see a fire and that it may course harm to you. Just walk away... and I can garrantee, people under the influence of alcohol are alot more dangerous than a fire Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul ™ Posted September 30, 2009 Report Share Posted September 30, 2009 don't go if your so concerned! people like you just want to ruin it for us all! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brighteyes Posted September 30, 2009 Report Share Posted September 30, 2009 This was the gem for me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JameSemajj Posted September 30, 2009 Report Share Posted September 30, 2009 (edited) Ok, we're all digrading now.. including myself.. I don't want fires banned, thats it! I'm not going to contribute to this thread any further, which will be a relief to some of you love you all! :angry: Edited September 30, 2009 by JameSemajj Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kev1664 Posted October 1, 2009 Report Share Posted October 1, 2009 (edited) The invasion of Iraq may have been the idea of the US administration but the UK followed and are culpable. You are confused as to the reason for the invasion. Tony Blair told paliament that we were invading because of weapons of mass destruction. Something that turned out to be untrue. This is why the UN refused to back the attack. At no time in the run up to the invasion was democracy cited as a reason. The US have demonstrated on many occasions they would prefer dictatorships that they can control than democracies. For example in Chile. Since when did the UK sign up to NATO to "protect these people"? And are you really serious in saying that UK actions did not kill any innocent people? Personally I hang my head in shame at what was done in Iraq and I find your ignorance regarding this amazing. Please read a little before posting Edited October 1, 2009 by kev1664 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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