Taking H&S, uniforms and rules a little too fair

[feral chile]

welsh you say....

Always makes me laugh when the Manic Street Preachers, with all their supposed socialist ideals go on about being welsh at the drop of a hat

not sure if it fits (or not) with socialism... just makes me laugh

and I met James Dean Bradfield once...ever so nice, we talked about which was the best colour for a Les Paul... i have a black one, and his is white. I introduced him to my wife.. she was a big fan (at the time ), and just sort of spluttered "I love you".....

he was really nice though

where were we...?

Edited October 8, 2009 by feral chile

[Katster]

I kind of agree with you about the rule breaking thing. kids will always test the boundaries. But I truly think my school made a rebel out of me because of the way it was so controlling and the way some teachers were sadistic bullies. I was a goody goody till then. I'm sure I'd have done better in school if I'd had nice reasonable teachers.

Edited October 9, 2009 by Katster

[Katster]

Bloomin' show-offs.

Katster - I think Italians type "1000 grazie"

[spwan-of-the-devil]

Didn't realize Hitler was alive..

Edited October 9, 2009 by spwan-of-the-devil

[dakyras]

Dident Relise Hitler was alive..

[worm]

rebelling against something that is wrong is different and natural (I believe)

Edited October 9, 2009 by worm

[-pogo-]

We had a debate in school about this in English class way back when. I spear headed the anti-uniform side of the argument citing much of what you've already mentioned. I remember one piece of rhetoric I used that being 'this is the rise of a new more cultural form of Mcarthyism'. Yes, I was a c**t then too. Anyway.........

The main point of the opposition, and I'm extremely surprised that this hasn't come up yet especially as teachers are present, was that the uniform restricted the forming of in-group identities and discrimination on the basis of image. Image as a signifier for differences in wealth and indicators of certain styles. I do believe that this is the primary reason still.

You can perhaps then see why I said what I said. I believe that it shelters children by fostering them into a communist environment in which genuine bonds based upon real similarities and differences are broken in a effort motivated by fear and convenience. I got an A + by the way. Didn't change the uniform policy though.

[spwan-of-the-devil]

No, but the grammar and spelling Nazi is, and I'm him.

[worm]

Ridiculous comparison. You basically said it was like Mcarthyism and Communism....

Edited October 9, 2009 by worm

[sifi]

I can't believe Worm remembers what grades he got in English at school. How many years ago was that Worm? Fifteen?

[-pogo-]

Exactly.

Showing that the term 'Mcarthyism' is associated with the witch hunt of subversive groups and not anti-communism. Hence, 'more cultural form of Mcarthism'. Oh, I was a clever c**t back then too Pogo. I had much more edge than I do now though. The world has beaten me down.

[worm]

How can a cultural form of Mcarthyism force children into a Communist enviroment?

[worm]

I can't believe Worm remembers what grades he got in English at school. How many years ago was that Worm? Fifteen?

[-pogo-]

Because Mcarthyism was a witch hunt of a particular group who did not tow the line. He was more communist than the groups he sought to dismantle.

[worm]

You're talking about similiarities between Mcarthyism and Stalinism then?

[-pogo-]

His secret police would be similar. Only, Mcarthyism is indicative of a free state. Having everyone in the know, rather than having it conducted in private and such like.

[worm]

So not Marxism then, where it is known what the outcome would be if it were to be put in place?

[-pogo-]

To clarify:

Mcarthyism = witch hunt for those groups who may potentially subvert the utopia of the system conducted in full view of the public.

Communism = a singular group devoid of any 'artificial' conditional differences, such as indicators of wealth, individulaity, style etc.

Cultural = accepted as the norm.

Using a more 'cultural' form of 'Mcarthyism' to keep people in a state of 'communist' operancy.

[worm]

You don't understand Communism. You have taken a Western/American Media definition and used it as truth. I would have downgraded you if you didn't recognise that fact.

Edited October 9, 2009 by worm

[-pogo-]

No I haven't.

Communism cannot have indicators of individuality and style present as they are indicators of not belonging to a commune (in this case, the school). It's you with the hang up sunshine.

[worm]

You can have individuality all you want. It's just in the case of most thing in life which are affected by governmental means cater to the commune. You're confusing Stalinism as the only definition of Communism, or even as a definition of Communism at all.

Edited October 9, 2009 by worm

[Katster]

I can't believe Worm remembers what grades he got in English at school. How many years ago was that Worm? Fifteen?

Edited October 9, 2009 by Katster

[-pogo-]

No I'm not. I'm not talking Stalinism am I?! I'm talking about a school in a free society.

A commune is an enclosed community in which everyone is equal and has equal access to all things. Communism is an ideology that maintains this order. That order has to be maintained by making sure that the means to everything is not tainted by individual groups. By wearing things that reflect ones wealth over another, we have a threat to the communist operancy. Thus, the school bans all such signifiers to maintain the image of communism.

Communism, my good friend, does not and cannot exist as we are all different and social structure can only change so much of this. It's utopian bullshit!

[worm]

I would argue if I could be arsed. Maybe one day we could have a live public debate on the issue in the Clyde Auditorium. Until then, we will have to disagree geek-ily in an internet message board.

[-pogo-]

I'd prefer over a beer or some good wine myself. I hate all that pretentious bullshit.