Foxy Knoxy

[sifi]

I want to move to Berlin tbh.

[-pogo-]

Best learn German. Best way is to get under the skin of the language, and understand it's structure. Not repeate ad infinitum "Wie komme ich am bestem zum Bahnhof, bitte?"

[sifi]

Does that mean roughly, what's the best way to the station, please?

[llcoolphil]

And it becomes very apparent very quickly that where most European languages follow basic groups and what have you, English has so many irregularities.

[Tugger2k]

I think so. I need to get back over to Austria to brush up on my German skills. It's been a long time.

Anyhow, point being, it's shedloads easier to immerse yourself in the culture of a country and learn it rather than do it from a far with a text book.

[llcoolphil]

So we've agreed that carpet muncher is an offensive term in the context it was used, we have agreed that immigrants should have no language demands placed on them befoe they arrive and elsewhere LW agrees with me over the World Cuip at Glasto next year.

Hard not to be smug sometimes

[-pogo-]

Or, just move there. Enrol in some evening German classes!

http://www.sprachenatelier-berlin.de/en/to...-in-berlin.html

[-pogo-]

So we've agreed that carpet muncher is an offensive term in the context it was used, we have agreed that immigrants should have no language demands placed on them befoe they arrive and elsewhere LW agrees with me over the World Cuip at Glasto next year.

Hard not to be smug sometimes

[Kowalski]

So we've agreed that carpet muncher is an offensive term in the context it was used, we have agreed that immigrants should have no language demands placed on them befoe they arrive and elsewhere LW agrees with me over the World Cuip at Glasto next year.

Hard not to be smug sometimes

[-pogo-]

???

[Langdale Wolf]

So we've agreed that carpet muncher is an offensive term in the context it was used, we have agreed that immigrants should have no language demands placed on them befoe they arrive and elsewhere LW agrees with me over the World Cuip at Glasto next year.

Hard not to be smug sometimes

[llcoolphil]

I don't agree with your first point, and I think many don't either.

[-pogo-]

I will, after lunch!

[Rufus Gwertigan]

So we've agreed that carpet muncher is an offensive term in the context it was used, we have agreed that immigrants should have no language demands placed on them befoe they arrive and elsewhere LW agrees with me over the World Cuip at Glasto next year.

Hard not to be smug sometimes

[llcoolphil]

Have we all agreed you can come over as a cock or are we skipping that part

[Rufus Gwertigan]

No - we'd be making it up as we went along if we agreed that

[-pogo-]

Id agree up to a point. However, when attitudes become so reinforced by the casual use of language, then intent becomes a cloudy issue. Let's assume oaf had no malicious intent in his words. Now let's assume one of the gay members of the boards happened to be passing through, saw the discussion topic and wanted to offer an opinion. Do you think that a bunch of heterosexual males bandying about the phrase carpet muncher as a referent for lesbian invites them to comment or excludes?

[llcoolphil]

That's down to personality. If there was a topic full of English people making jokes about Scottish, I might not feel invited to comment. Times on here I haven't commented on certain issues because of this (and it doesn't help when the owner has his particular view/bias/whatever).

It doesn't mean it's wrong and I can accept it's just banter.

[llcoolphil]

That's down to personality

Edited December 8, 2009 by llcoolphil

[-pogo-]

So as a feminist, you are happy to dismiss language that excludes women because they are women and lesbians because they are lesbians. Like your socialist claims you have no claim to feminism because you clearly have absolutely no idea what it means.

But I'll tell you what, next time you're at a labour party meetring, make a reference to lesbians as carpet munchers - see how many of your colleagues agtree. Try it out with the LGBT club at university.

[-pogo-]

Pogo ... why would you call an entire country, its inhabitants and everything it represents 'shit'?

I don't get the humour there at all. Serious question this, btw.

[llcoolphil]

Errr hold on one minute. I'm not the one grouping gay females under the one bracket here and saying they all think this, because that is not true one single bit.

[oafc0000]

It's a joke on the stereotype of Wales being dull and boring. I call Scotland shit as well. I don't realy think that at all though, do I?

Are you taking offence to it?

Oh, and I don't recognise Wales as a country. Neither do I recognise Scotland as one either.

Edited December 8, 2009 by oafc0000

[dakyras]

Nor am I. But you are suggesting that it shouldn't offend anyone because it is just banter,

Anne Widdicombe had a choice in this matter. Which lesbians had a choice in being referred to as a carpet muncher?

You know pogo I really cant be arsed arguing with you. When I said earlier that people agreed with me, I should have said the intelligent people agreed with me - Feral Chile, Dr Billy, Strudders. You put yourself in the same camp as oaf if you like.

But I dare you to print this thread off and take it into university or even to a labour party meeting and see what people think of your feminist and socialist credentials. I know that if you took this into university and tried to justify your position to a feminist, they would laugh in your face.

[llcoolphil]

It's a joke on the stereotype of Wales being dull and boring.