Plausible if unlikely Dream Line-up

[scottt]

The Cure are essentialy pop too, and whilst they should headline they wont.

[beau1]

Every headliner's most recent album this year reached number one in the charts, in fact most headliners going back for ages had number one albums recently or at least top 5 (with the excpetion of the bands on a comeback such as rage and Pixies). The Cure's most recent album got to number 33 - not really huge.

Their 2008 tour saw them playing fairly small venues (when compared to bands like KOL and Radiohead who sell out arenas in seconds) and I would be surprised if many of the average Reading and Leeds audience owns any of their albums, they would be aware of them but that is all.

[thomasowen]

When The Cure headlined Glastonbury in 1986, 1990 and 1995 they'd had one number one album for one week in 1992. I don't think it really matters, they've never been a mainstream rock band.

During the 2008 tour they sold out the Antwerp sportpalais (22,000 people), MSG (14,000 people), Paris Bercy (17,500 people), Wembley Arena (12, 500). As well as many other arenas around Europe and The USA. The Wembley show I know for a fact sold out within 5 minutes and another show would have been added had the arena not been already booked, so you're wrong there. Those are NOT small arenas and the Pixies (who are down for the Friday headline slot) could never sell out arenas that size anymore.

[beau1]

double post..

Edited December 14, 2009 by beau1

[beau1]

They sold out the 02 this year actually with the NME Big GIG, 90% of the tickets went to Cure fans.

'Other Dates on the tour' ' not talking about europe' - There were NO OTHER UK dates other than Wembley Arena during the 2008 tour. You're talking BS, tbf mate.

It was mainly 1 or 2 gigs per country (apart from Germany and France). With no other dates added, for reasons I do not know. However nearly all of the dates sold out, so they could have easily fitted consecutive nights in at most of the arenas they played.

Added to that, The Cure have never played on a second stage played second down from headliner since the mid-80s. They're far, far bigger and more mainstage headline material than Faith No More, Lost Prophets or Gossip, thats for sure.

Edited December 14, 2009 by beau1

[thomasowen]

They sold out the 02 this year actually with the NME Big GIG, 90% of the tickets went to Cure fans.

'Other Dates on the tour' ' not talking about europe' - There were NO OTHER UK dates other than Wembley Arena during the 2008 tour. You're talking BS, tbf mate.

It was mainly 1 or 2 gigs per country (apart from Germany and France). With no other dates added, for reasons I do not know. However nearly all of the dates sold out, so they could have easily fitted consecutive nights in at most of the arenas they played.

Added to that, The Cure have never played on a second stage played second down from headliner since the mid-80s. They're far, far bigger and more mainstage headline material than Faith No More, Lost Prophets or Gossip, thats for sure.

[Vieuphoria]

as unlikely as it is.... If The Cure ever to were play.... they would headline. There is no argument here to be had. They sell out arena's worldwise, including the UK. They are bigger than Pixies who, although are big, cannot play arenas. and the most important factor... they are THE f**kING CURE. i do not understand how anyone can say they wouldn't headline is beyond me... Clearly no idea.

[thomasowen]

as unlikely as it is.... If The Cure ever to were play.... they would headline. There is no argument here to be had. They sell out arena's worldwise, including the UK. They are bigger than Pixies who, although are big, cannot play arenas. and the most important factor... they are THE f**kING CURE. i do not understand how anyone can say they wouldn't headline is beyond me... Clearly no idea.

[beau1]

I think the site I was looking at has got the wrong band then, doesn't look too reliable in retrospect. You can paint it anyway you want though The Cure are nowhere near big enough to headline, anyone who disagrees is completely deluded or doesn't have knowledge of Reading and Leeds. I don't think they will play at all to be honest because I think they would only play festivals they could headline.

[beau1]

Of course you would say that, you are clearly a huge fan with bias. Look at it objectivly and it's obvious they couldn't headline, sorry. I agree that they would only play if they could headline, and I'm willing to bet they were offered the chance to headline the NME stage last year and turned it down.

[thomasowen]

What site was it mate? I wouldn't mind having a look at it.

I agree with you that they wouldn't be booked, but I think thats more because they are more risky than the Radioheads, Arctics, Muses and KOL's of this world, but if they were to be booked, they would headline no question about it. This isn't a debate about how possible it was, it was about how big they are and I still disagree and think that if (for whatever reason) they were booked then they would headline mainstage or not play at all.

[beau1]

I googled 2008 cure tour and it came up with this site

http://www.curenews.net/

looking more closely I now see that it said 65 days of static tour dates, but as they are placed between cure news on a cure site I assumed they were cure dates, should have looked more closely,

The fact is that in terms of album sales (the most important factor in orginizers selecting a headliner, along with hype and level of intrest) they are nowhere near as big as any headliner from the last 5 years with the exception of Pixies, who were on the comeback trail. I honestly beleive they were offered the NME stage last year as they did the big gig, were given that award and there seemed to be a bit of buzz from that magazine. Manics did it the year before as well.

[Vieuphoria]

It is not because i am bias. It's becuase it's such a strange standpoint you are coming from. You said they aren't bigger than any band... i can right a big list of bands that The Cure are bigger than and i will....

Rage Against The Machine

The Killers

Razorlight

The Smashing Pumpkins

Franz Ferdinand

Pixies

The Darkness

The White Stripes

The Strokes

Travis

Manic Street Preachers

Pulp

Stereophonics.

also do you feel the Cure are comparable in size to Bloc Party, Kaiser Chiefs, Tenacious D, Arcade Fire...

Edited December 14, 2009 by Vieuphoria

[thomasowen]

It is not because i am bias. It's becuase it's such a strange standpoint you are coming from. You said they aren't bigger than any band... i can right a big list of bands that The Cure are bigger than and i will....

Rage Against The Machine

The Killers

Razorlight

The Smashing Pumpkins

Franz Ferdinand

Pixies

The Darkness

The White Stripes

The Strokes

Travis

Manic Street Preachers

Pulp

Stereophonics.

Edited December 14, 2009 by thomasowen

[Vieuphoria]

you are someone whom even if The Cure did headline... you would deny that they shoudl be up there. So i'm going to have to agree to disagree with you. All i'll say is this, if The Cure play any shows next year.. A) look at what venues they are, ie) WHat Arenas they play? How fast the tickets sell out? C) The Reviews of how good it is.

[thomasowen]

you are someone whom even if The Cure did headline... you would deny that they shoudl be up there. So i'm going to have to agree to disagree with you. All i'll say is this, if The Cure play any shows next year.. A) look at what venues they are, ie) WHat Arenas they play? How fast the tickets sell out? C) The Reviews of how good it is.

[thetime]

One of the few headliners to get me back to r/l

[Vieuphoria]

I'm a big Cure fan and I would sing from the rooftops if they headline BUT IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN!

[scottt]

you are someone whom even if The Cure did headline... you would deny that they shoudl be up there. So i'm going to have to agree to disagree with you. All i'll say is this, if The Cure play any shows next year.. A) look at what venues they are, ie) WHat Arenas they play? How fast the tickets sell out? C) The Reviews of how good it is.

Edited December 14, 2009 by scottt

[Vieuphoria]

Brand New are not even in the same league in terms of popularity as The Cure. I find it hard to believe that someone can believe that a band who headlined the same festival as Paul McCartney couldn't headline. The Cure are massive. Especially when you are suggesting playing under Blink. I actually did once argue the opposite... i was wrong. Always been a massive fan of The Cure, and last year i managed to convice myself that they could headline NME or play 2nd.... but seriously would never ever happen.

[scottt]

Brand New are not even in the same league in terms of popularity as The Cure. I find it hard to believe that someone can believe that a band who headlined the same festival as Paul McCartney couldn't headline. The Cure are massive. Especially when you are suggesting playing under Blink. I actually did once argue the opposite... i was wrong. Always been a massive fan of The Cure, and last year i managed to convice myself that they could headline NME or play 2nd.... but seriously would never ever happen.

[Vieuphoria]

They can headline any festival but R/L... makes little sense. If a band who are huge, have legend status, and who do not play gigs very often are announced for a headlining slot at a festival people will show up to it.

[thomasowen]

They can headline any festival but R/L... makes little sense. If a band who are huge, have legend status, and who do not play gigs very often are announced for a headlining slot at a festival people will show up to it.

[scottt]

They can headline any festival but R/L... makes little sense. If a band who are huge, have legend status, and who do not play gigs very often are announced for a headlining slot at a festival people will show up to it.

[Vacant0]

Tom - if you're trying to argue that The Cure would headline the NME tent not the main stage I disagree but alright, there are points to be made there, can almost come close to being swayed on that, that they'd be offered it maybe at least - but if you're seriously suggesting that The Cure could play the fest and sub Blink 182 then I'm at a complete loss.

Sorry, that sounds patronising but still its The Cure! They're a legendary band who don't play that often. There is very little chance of them actually playing Reading ye, but if they did theres absolutely no chance of them subbing anyone.

Commenting on the original post and a couple of comments after now - Daft Punk in the dance tent is almost as silly as The Cure subbing Blink - My Chem are gonna be subbing or if the new album does well maybe even headlining sadly Not gonna make a fuss about other ordering issues. Interpol I'd love to see headline the tent this year, bit rubbish last time on main - still hoping The White Stripes are back together next year, seem the only logical 'indie' headliner.

Edited December 15, 2009 by Vacant0