Things that annoy you ?

[Rufus Gwertigan]

If people want to go and die for the rich then feel free but don't expect me to worship or support them for being so deluded. It all ties into bigotry, patriotism, racism and general stupidity and I can't stand it.

It baffles me how not wanting people to sign up for a war to 'fight for us' is considered a bad thing in our society. Then these fuckers have the temerity to "mourn" their loss when they inevitably get gunned down or blown up. They supported them going so they shouldn't be surprised that they get killed - are people really this stupid? They do nothing to stop them from going to their deaths and then cry about it. They talk about how proud they are. Songs of Praise features these types of families continuously - suburban mums and dads who have lost a child but are "so very proud of their son" for giving his life so they can live in their pampered pointless existence watching X-Factor the the footy. Their own child, murdered by their own mental incompetence and they're proud of it. Songs Of Praise is proud of it. Everyone's so proud of it. Sick, sick people.

You can't even bring it up, you can't even talk about it. To these people sanctified murder is a decent, honest career path and if you think otherwise you're committing treason. They're fucking lunatics, and they're everywhere.

Support the murder of our children everybody, so we can carry on buying pointless crap to fill our shit empty lives.

[grumpyhack]

Tis a difficult one. Generally I would say that I'm 'anti-war' but that's because in my lifetime I can't think of many wars that were either justified or couldn't have been solved in another way. So it's hard to weep for people who sign up and end up fighting in war that you don't necessarily support. However I'm not sure what my feelings would have been had I been around in 1939.

[kaosmark2]

It just weirds me out how people feel sorry for soldiers being 'pushed' into wars. We don't live in a country with conscription or national service. Every soldier has chosen to turn their life into a weapon to be used by politicians. It's a poor choice they've made, and they have to live or die with the consequences of that choice.

Of course, why they've been led to make that choice you can criticise, but it's still their fault for making it, whatever influences were on them.

[eFestivals]

It just weirds me out how people feel sorry for soldiers being 'pushed' into wars. We don't live in a country with conscription or national service. Every soldier has chosen to turn their life into a weapon to be used by politicians.

the worst - and most amusing - version of this was during the Falklands war, when a group of mothers protested about their sons being put on boats to the Falklands to fight, under a banner that was something like "my son didn't sign up to die for this country".

On the other side of that, I've never met (it might be different if I'd met someone disabled by it) a squaddie who went to the falklands war who didn't desperately want to be there. Having been trained for combat they wanted to experience it.

[Rufus Gwertigan]

the worst - and most amusing - version of this was during the Falklands war, when a group of mothers protested about their sons being put on boats to the Falklands to fight, under a banner that was something like "my son didn't sign up to die for this country".

On the other side of that, I've never met (it might be different if I'd met someone disabled by it) a squaddie who went to the falklands war who didn't desperately want to be there. Having been trained for combat they wanted to experience it.

[feral chile]

the worst - and most amusing - version of this was during the Falklands war, when a group of mothers protested about their sons being put on boats to the Falklands to fight, under a banner that was something like "my son didn't sign up to die for this country".

On the other side of that, I've never met (it might be different if I'd met someone disabled by it) a squaddie who went to the falklands war who didn't desperately want to be there. Having been trained for combat they wanted to experience it.

[Rufus Gwertigan]

I'd have thought the reverse to be the case - you'd have to justify your decisions, actions and consequences, by believing that it was all worth it. We want to believe in justice, not in waste.

Edited July 18, 2012 by Rufus Gwertigan

[feral chile]

At the end of the day most soldiers dont give a shit about the justification of an action. If they did the ranks would have been empty during the Troubles.

[windy_miller]

If people want to go and die for the rich then feel free but don't expect me to worship or support them for being so deluded. It all ties into bigotry, patriotism, racism and general stupidity and I can't stand it.

It baffles me how not wanting people to sign up for a war to 'fight for us' is considered a bad thing in our society. Then these fuckers have the temerity to "mourn" their loss when they inevitably get gunned down or blown up. They supported them going so they shouldn't be surprised that they get killed - are people really this stupid? They do nothing to stop them from going to their deaths and then cry about it. They talk about how proud they are. Songs of Praise features these types of families continuously - suburban mums and dads who have lost a child but are "so very proud of their son" for giving his life so they can live in their pampered pointless existence watching X-Factor the the footy. Their own child, murdered by their own mental incompetence and they're proud of it. Songs Of Praise is proud of it. Everyone's so proud of it. Sick, sick people.

You can't even bring it up, you can't even talk about it. To these people sanctified murder is a decent, honest career path and if you think otherwise you're committing treason. They're fucking lunatics, and they're everywhere.

Support the murder of our children everybody, so we can carry on buying pointless crap to fill our shit empty lives.

[thesecretingredientiscrime]

I hate those photos on facebook with pictures of a soldier hugging their child with captions saying: "she's got her daddy back" or something similar. What about the fathers they killed, and the children who won't ever get their "daddy's" back?

[eFestivals]

The Songs of Praise thing (and just Christianity and the army in general) just completely baffles me. Thou shalt not kill, however I'm sure God will make an exception for this brave soldier who so sadly gave his life for our great country.

I totally agree with Monkey's rant, but this bit isn't really so confusing.

It's almost the case that the CofE is the govt, and the govt is the CofE - that's what you get with an 'established church'.

And that gets to mean that the church has to believe that the govt is only fighting for good, and therefore any loss of life is a sad but ultimately worthwhile thing. A greater tragedy has been stopped by 'the sacrifice' of that soldier.

While the church does that sort of thing mindlessly because of its relationship with the state, it's much the same process that any one of us would do if/when there's what we believed to be a 'justifiable war' - cos while most of the reasons that are used for war are a crock of shit to a lot of us, I'd guess that most of us could also envisage a war that we would believe was worth fighting.

[Rufus Gwertigan]

I hate those photos on facebook with pictures of a soldier hugging their child with captions saying: "she's got her daddy back" or something similar. What about the fathers they killed, and the children who won't ever get their "daddy's" back?

[windy_miller]

I totally agree with Monkey's rant, but this bit isn't really so confusing.

It's almost the case that the CofE is the govt, and the govt is the CofE - that's what you get with an 'established church'.

And that gets to mean that the church has to believe that the govt is only fighting for good, and therefore any loss of life is a sad but ultimately worthwhile thing. A greater tragedy has been stopped by 'the sacrifice' of that soldier.

While the church does that sort of thing mindlessly because of its relationship with the state, it's much the same process that any one of us would do if/when there's what we believed to be a 'justifiable war' - cos while most of the reasons that are used for war are a crock of shit to a lot of us, I'd guess that most of us could also envisage a war that we would believe was worth fighting.

[lost]

I hate those photos on facebook with pictures of a soldier hugging their child with captions saying: "she's got her daddy back" or something similar. What about the fathers they killed, and the children who won't ever get their "daddy's" back?

[Purple Monkey]

I'd sooner take a bullet in the head than fight in a war. The so-called "free-world" really isn't worth fighting for.

I just think it's all based on ignorance, and a stupid, stupid sense of national pride derived from a profound desire to belong which has been cultivated by an uncaring, harsh, stone-faced lack of love. People just believe what they read in the rags and coupled with a culture that's all about me-me-me no wonder we're a nation of racist, psychopathic, self-destructive c**ts.

Edited July 18, 2012 by Purple Monkey

[eFestivals]

The so-called "free-world" really isn't worth fighting for.

true, but there are some things worth fighting against.

[Purple Monkey]

true, but there are some things worth fighting against.

Edited July 18, 2012 by Purple Monkey

[grumpyhack]

When I first heard this in the sixties it seemed to sum everything up so well about the attempts to justify wars. Accepted that it's a Dylan song but thought you might like to enjoy the magnificent Baez

[Rufus Gwertigan]

I'd sooner take a bullet in the head than fight in a war. The so-called "free-world" really isn't worth fighting for.

I just think it's all based on ignorance, and a stupid, stupid sense of national pride derived from a profound desire to belong which has been cultivated by an uncaring, harsh, stone-faced lack of love. People just believe what they read in the rags and coupled with a culture that's all about me-me-me no wonder we're a nation of racist, psychopathic, self-destructive c**ts.

[rachbon]

Can't really add anything to this. Completely agree with everything Purple Monkey has said.

[AcademicPistol]

Wasps... Pointless.

L Ron Hubbard.

Joseph Smith.

[jump]

Wasps... Pointless.

L Ron Hubbard.

Joseph Smith.

[zahidf]

The police getting away with murder

[windy_miller]

The police getting away with murder

[Purple Monkey]

"No police officer has been convicted for manslaughter for a crime committed while on duty since 1986"

Yeah, I wonder why. better to preserve a statistic than to actually allow justice to take place, eh?