Blink 182, Lostprophets and Paramore

[thomasowen]

Objective, rational and fair? Yet you've said you think they're a terrible band and this may affect your opinion. So basically, the complete opposite?

I'm not naive - it's blatantly obvious that they're marketed in a different way to Miley Cyrus. If you can't see that then you really don't have very good knowledge of how the media and their audiences work. Even Avril Lavigne isn't marketed in the same way as Miley Cyrus.

The fact they've been in Kerrang does make a fairly considerable difference really, since Kerrang is a mainstream media outlet which caters to a very specific audience. Miley Cyrus or Avril Lavigne wouldn't be in there. This is just one example.

[kev1664]

doing media for some of my course and writing for a paper I think I'm pretty clued up thanks . I said I could be bias for this one band because I hate them so much, the rest of the time I am very objective and fair, look back over my posts for the last few years and you will see that.

My god, I didn't want an essay, I was just saying I have as good an idea of the average reading goer as anyone else on this board. Please read what I say properly, I think I;ve explained myself well enough.

[thomasowen]

Really? Are you sure.

Nope, definately not.

Edited February 16, 2010 by thomasowen

[rockinthecasbah]

There is no way Paramore will be playing the same way as the others they play academy size venues where as Paramore sell out arenas and have a number 1 album.

Edited February 16, 2010 by rockinthecasbah

[Flobadobalob]

I saw them at wembley arena last year, to be fair most people were probs between 16 an 18. Im 23 and own all 3 albums so i think youre pigeonholing a bit. As for where they play, 4th from top mainstage i reckon.

[rexclark]

No, JLS are also popular today but they couldn't play second at Reading either. Maybe Paramore are the right sort of band to play second at Reading, maybe I'm that out of touch. I supppose we will find out soon enough.

Those bands are still very credible with the young audience but Limp Bizkit and Guns n Roses seem to get slated most of the time, their type of music isn't strongly represented at the festival anymore (hair/nu metal) whereas the other genres are.

[Chavmeisterdeluxe]

Didn't Brand New play Wembley Arena recently?

I think Paramore could definitely play 3rd on the mainstage, or maybe as a big R1 headliner opposite the "indie" headliner (if there is one of course.) Having them second headlining would be a weak booking in my eyes, though perhaps I'm slightly biased by the fact I can't stand them.

EDIT- Forgot to add, are Paramore any bigger than Fall Out Boy? I'm not very in touch with who's selling what in terms of albums, so I won't say I'm certain, but given Fall Out Boy played 4th last year, I don't think it's entirely out of the question that Paramore could play there.

[rexclark]

Yes but it didn't sell out, Paramore sold it out in 11 hours. Face it guys, like them or not, it's very likely they'll play 2nd.

[luckysalt]

I saw Paramore last year at Birmingham NIA

It was said to be sold out, but to me it seemed half full, but it WAS absolutely FULL of kids, could have been a lot to do with You Me At Six supporting as well.

Ruined the gig to be honest for me, al you could hear was little kids screaming the whole way through.

Also I like Paramore but they were very samey all the way through, I agree they're popular, but I can't see them sub headline myself. 3rd or 4th.

They'll be mainstage though. And I think they'll go down very well

[scottt]

I'm a Paramore fan. I'm a 23 year old male. With a beard.

[thomasowen]

Just thought id reiterate the true winner in this thread.

I can't not post in an everyone vs thomasowen thread.

I see where you are coming with you rpoint, but basically i think your view of the paramore fan base is kindof trapped in 2005. I think their new stuff has reaaaalllly gained them a lot of newer fans beyond the teenage girl crowd, and they have a lot of cross over now. I found a lot of people found it more acceptable to like them after the latest album, and now almost every girl i know (18-20 years old-ish) loves them.

A lot of people at R&L will go and watch them (even though they pretend they don't like them )

Edited February 17, 2010 by thomasowen

[scottt]

I don't get why everybody is getting on my back, all I did was express an opinion and explain myself, isn't that what a forum is for? As I keep saying I can only talk about who I know that likes paramore, and they are my young sister and cousins friends, I don't personaly know anyone my age who likes the band. Clearly people my age and older do listen to their music and I have said this from the beggining as well as saying that my perspective may be bias due to a pasionate hatred of the band. Clearly the reaction on this board has shown that more people than I thought do like this band, I accept that as I was ready to do from the beggining.

Then again Luckysalt has been to a show and seems to agree that the audience was made up largely of kids, and that is all I was saying - that in itself was not a criticism, just an observation.

[thomasowen]

That makes sense to me. I mean I think iwas the oldest person in the whole of Birmingham when Green Day played last year. Still, beyond people who went to the gigs, i think they have enough people who like them enough to watch them at a festival.

Edited February 17, 2010 by thomasowen

[tomisnothere]

I'm not so much annoyed at your view of the band, more your ignorance. You say you're doing a media course so surely you can see how Paramore are definitely not marketed and viewed by the majority in the same league as who you compared them to? It's blatantly obvious, especially so to a media student! I've been studying media for years, and am still doing now, the differences in the targeted marketing is very clear.

What stops Reading/Leeds being the festival they could do this at exactly? R/L is the popular "alternative" festival - Paramore are currently a popular "alternative" band. The actual music scene at R/L has changed as time has moved on, because ultimately it is a very trendy festival in terms of the bands it books. That's not a criticism btw. Plus, if the headliner rumours are true and we do get blink-182 or Green Day, it would make perfect sense.

[thomasowen]

I'm not so much annoyed at your view of the band, more your ignorance. You say you're doing a media course so surely you can see how Paramore are definitely not marketed and viewed by the majority in the same league as who you compared them to? It's blatantly obvious, especially so to a media student! I've been studying media for years, and am still doing now, the differences in the targeted marketing is very clear.

What stops Reading/Leeds being the festival they could do this at exactly? R/L is the popular "alternative" festival - Paramore are currently a popular "alternative" band. The actual music scene at R/L has changed as time has moved on, because ultimately it is a very trendy festival in terms of the bands it books. That's not a criticism btw. Plus, if the headliner rumours are true and we do get blink-182 or Green Day, it would make perfect sense.

Edited February 17, 2010 by thomasowen

[tomisnothere]

Alternative? What rubbish. Paramore are on Warner Bros, NME is a magazine that is ultimatley owned by Time Warner, it makes sense that they would feature them. They are produced by the person who produced Avril Lavegnes album and can you honestly tell the difference bettween the two acts cos I'm dammed if I can. It even looks like they share a design team - the only difference is one is cleverly marketed at a younger market than the other.

It's obvious they aren't viewed by the majority as being the same but essentialy they are, at least thats how I see it. You think I'm being ignorant, well I think you're being a bit naive.

Edited February 17, 2010 by tomisnothere

[thomasowen]

NME do get to decide who they put in their magazine by the way, it doesn't matter who ultimately owns them. That sort of thing is at the editor's discretion. That's what their job is!

[tomisnothere]

You can call me naive, arrogant, blahblah whatever. It's 4:15 in the morning, I ultimately disagree and am going to leave you to it.

Either way, NME's preference over Warner artists exists for sure - but never did I say the editor had 100% choice. Don't throw words in my mouth, that's pretty lame. Obviously they get sent tons of stuff, and will be pushed by who owns them but the editor doesn't just sit there and go "oh. ok."

Have you actually listened to a Paramore album by the way? I own an Avril Lavigne album and two Paramore albums. There's a very noticeable difference in sound. Paramore are pretty much engineered to sound more like FOB, Kids In Glass Houses, the rest of them. Definitely more so on that side than Avril etc. And why are you taking the alternative term so literally? I even pointed out that I used quote marks.

[thomasowen]

You can call me naive, arrogant, blahblah whatever. It's 4:15 in the morning, I ultimately disagree and am going to leave you to it.

Either way, NME's preference over Warner artists exists for sure - but never did I say the editor had 100% choice. Don't throw words in my mouth, that's pretty lame. Obviously they get sent tons of stuff, and will be pushed by who owns them but the editor doesn't just sit there and go "oh. ok."

Have you actually listened to a Paramore album by the way? I own an Avril Lavigne album and two Paramore albums. There's a very noticeable difference in sound. Paramore are pretty much engineered to sound more like FOB, Kids In Glass Houses, the rest of them. Definitely more so on that side than Avril etc. And why are you taking the alternative term so literally? I even pointed out that I used quote marks.

[jordanuk90]

Alot of lads would happily be dragged to Paramore by their missus for the same reason they wouldn't mind being dragged to Girls Aloud

[jammy2211]

It would appear Pop-punk is the new indie, every time I go Rock City they play like 2 Paramore songs from the new album every single ****ing time. Beginning of a trend I guess.

Paramore will be 2nd or 3rd depending on how desperate Reading are... from the rumours i'd guess 3rd below Blink and MCR.

[thomasowen]

It would appear Pop-punk is the new indie, every time I go Rock City they play like 2 Paramore songs from the new album every single ****ing time. Beginning of a trend I guess.

Paramore will be 2nd or 3rd depending on how desperate Reading are... from the rumours i'd guess 3rd below Blink and MCR.

[scottt]

Who else is in this new scene then? Youmeatsix sound quite simular but I don't really know anyone else getting the same level of exposure.

[thomasowen]

All time low.

All american rejects were masive last year.

[Dirty Boots]

Very, very disappointing that this shit will be up there.