F1 2010

[Gre]

And then of course if it is classed as cheating, we also have Jenson Button- Cheat

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport...one/4514569.stm

But oh no, Im sure that's OK.

[beLIEveR]

Schumacher aside, the only current drivers I can think of that have definitely cheated are Alonso and De La Rosa, who were knowingly using stolen Ferrari data for their own benefit. Admittedly Hamilton benefitted too, but it's less clear whether he was in the loop on that.

[Benj]

Silly indeed. Prost & Piquet were both been disqualified for being underweight at one point... I'm sure a lot more have been at it at one time or another.

[Benj]

Schumacher aside, the only current drivers I can think of that have definitely cheated are Alonso and De La Rosa, who were knowingly using stolen Ferrari data for their own benefit. Admittedly Hamilton benefitted too, but it's less clear whether he was in the loop on that.

[Kowalski]

And then of course if it is classed as cheating, we also have Jenson Button- Cheat

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport...one/4514569.stm

But oh no, Im sure that's OK.

[Benj]

Surely that was the team's fault? Unless Button designed the car of course.

Hamilton admitted lieing to stewards.

Edited April 20, 2010 by Benj

[Greeny_Musicchild]

wow...ive been avoiding this thread as i hadn't seen the race until this morning. Double in size after just one race on on this page we have the term 'racist' being used....

I think ill just not look at the previous 6 pages...Did this all stem from Oaf insisting Hamilton was the greatest racer of all time?

Wonderful Gran Prix btw, best of the year so far by miles.

[thegremlin_1999]

Look, can we just leave this at Oaf is not a homophobe, Sifi is not a racist and just ban them if either is unimagininative enough to bring it up as an insult again, or at least take this boring discussion to its own thread.

Thank you

[18Alex18]

Wonderful Grand Prix btw, best of the year so far by miles.

[dakyras]

The pitlane is part of the race track. Its that simple, there are no rules saying you can't overtake.

You nanny f1 dullards can do one, you'll be advocating a 70 mph speed limit on the back straight soon!

[OneLittleFish]

There was no way Hamilton was going to overtake Vettel. There is a speed limit in the pit lane. So why be a dickhead and vie for position, when he was clearly half a car length behind?

I am a Hamilton hater, because he's a cocky little shit. He drove across the pit lane line on entry, which is something many a driver has been penalised before. His driving just smacks of egotistical arrogance.

And I don't see how advocating the safety of the dozens of unprotected workers in the pit lane by disapproving of some rich dick head driving recklessly abreast of another rich dick head in what is clearly a single track designed for one car to exit, is being a 'nanny dullard'.

[Benj]

There was no way Hamilton was going to overtake Vettel. There is a speed limit in the pit lane. So why be a dickhead and vie for position, when he was clearly half a car length behind?

I am a Hamilton hater, because he's a cocky little shit. He drove across the pit lane line on entry, which is something many a driver has been penalised before. His driving just smacks of egotistical arrogance.

And I don't see how advocating the safety of the dozens of unprotected workers in the pit lane by disapproving of some rich dick head driving recklessly abreast of another rich dick head in what is clearly a single track designed for one car to exit, is being a 'nanny dullard'.

[sifi]

Well we'll agree to disagree then.

My final point will be however that if things were the other way round and it had been Vettel who drove up alongside Hamilton and Hamilton had squeezed Vettel, I very much suspect that Hamilton would still be getting all the grief.

Edited April 21, 2010 by sifimaster

[18Alex18]

And with the talent he's got, Hamilton should be winning well.

[sifi]

I seem to remember several of his drives being talked about as being amongst the greatest performances in recent memory; his first win at Monaco, Silverstone in the rain and Hockenheim a couple of years ago when McLaren decided not to pit him from the lead under a safety car, which meant he had to pit later and came out of the pits in 7th and still fought his way back through to win.

Edited April 21, 2010 by sifimaster

[18Alex18]

And I'm sure more people would love him if it wasn't for the cheating and bending of the rules that he engages in. It's like Schumi - I'm sure he'd have been a bit more widely loved if he didn't cheat. But that's some people's mentality - win at any cost, rather than win well and maybe not win.

Edited April 21, 2010 by 18Alex18

[sifi]

I don't think it's Hamilton's fault that he takes it too far. I think that's the way the sport is now. It's probably being going that way for a while. Wish he didn't though. It's a sport. Some of the greatest moments in F1 - the things that cut through sport and help to define humanity - have been moments where it isn't all about winning, but the camaradarie of the brotherhood of drivers.

[18Alex18]

I think that's the way the sport is now.

Edited April 21, 2010 by 18Alex18

[sifi]

Talking of that; I don't like this thing with no refuelling for three reasons.

[Benj]

You might be right. However, the difference is that you don't have folk on here spouting their mouth off about how Vettel is the greatest ever, and single handidly making the sport interesting.

For those of us of who watched and loved the sport for over twenty five years now, that kinda gets our back up - we've seen great drivers come and go, come and go. And whilst nobody is doubting his car control - as anyone who saw Hamilton's GP2 win in Monaco five years ago will tell you - there is reasonable enough concern over his inability to draw the line.

And Lewis broke the eleventh commandmant too. "Thou shall not be found out".

I love a racer. I love Villeneuve, he's was the greatest racer I've ever seen. I think with Hamilton, it's a bit like how Clough described Leeds as Champions, but not well-liked Champions. They didn't win well. And with the talent he's got, Hamilton should be winning well.

Once he's worked out how to preserve his tyres, obviously

[18Alex18]

Interesting analysis, and to an extent I agree with you. However, refueling was only introduced in when 1994 - and as far as I can recall that was before the great snooze of the Schumi years. Although that wasn't anything to do with refuelling per se.

[sifi]

Well in 1994 I was 4 so I can't comment I've only been watching since about 96 onwards, but I don't think there was really much wrong with the system - I think a change to the points system is/was necessary to put much more emphasis on finishing higher up, but refuelling and strategy had become part of the sport. Even with 10 laps left of a race that was seemingly petering out, you'd have the commentators speculating on whether the driver in the lead might require another stop (the old splash n' dash ), which brought a modicum of excitement to the last few laps.

[Benj]

Well in 1994 I was 4 so I can't comment I've only been watching since about 96 onwards, but I don't think there was really much wrong with the system - I think a change to the points system is/was necessary to put much more emphasis on finishing higher up, but refuelling and strategy had become part of the sport. Even with 10 laps left of a race that was seemingly petering out, you'd have the commentators speculating on whether the driver in the lead might require another stop (the old splash n' dash ), which brought a modicum of excitement to the last few laps.

[18Alex18]

We've got Mark Webber to bring us that excitement at the end of the race now

The points system hasn't really changed that much since last year, has it? Just cosmetically.

[Gre]

There's a bit of a difference between being under weight and having an illegal second fuel tank that allows you to run underweight, but then fuel the car up for the final stint so you're not over weight at the end!