World Cup 2010

[eFestivals]

neil can call the performances flat, but i guess he wants to see the old england, charging about at 100mph, doing well for an hour, and then cocking up.

Nope, that's not what I'm wanting - I'm wanting a team that has the first idea what to do.

The only times recently they've shown themselves as a team with ideas and ambition is when Milner has come onto the pitch. Surely I'm not the only one to notice?

I know I'm not - after a number of their recentish games, there's been quite a few people post on here how Milner's presence has hugely improved the team, and given them back an idea of what they should be doing.

I suspect that's because Milner hasn't had his skill beaten out of him by managers shouting "you can't do that" in the way that just about every other player in England has. It only takes ten minutes of watching top-end non-English footie to spot the difference - the playing of balls that the English game won't accept, because manager 'wisdom' says that hoofing the ball anywhere else is better than what that manager says is a risky ball. Add to that the English idea that making a tackle that's very likely going to be a foul is always the right thing to do, and those two things pretty much cover where we always fall down.

These are things that are beyond Pat to address, no matter how fantastic he might be as a coach or at tactics.

[ampersand]

Add to that the English idea that making a tackle that's very likely going to be a foul is always the right thing to do, and those two things pretty much cover where we always fall down.

[Steve P]

I suspect that's because Milner hasn't had his skill beaten out of him by managers shouting "you can't do that" in the way that just about every other player in England has.

[eFestivals]

I don't buy that at all mate. Milner is playing for one of the most rigid, position obsessed managers in the English game.

Oh I know. But when he comes on for England, he brings the team the dynamism they'd lacked in the game up to that point. No other current player seems able to do the same.

[Tugger2k]

Oh I know. But when he comes on for England, he brings the team the dynamism they'd lacked in the game up to that point. No other current player seems able to do the same.

[Tugger2k]

To be honest I'm surprised he hasn't tried it sooner, most teams like to have 2 formations just to have one as a back up plan in internationals.

[ampersand]

and lets not forget that despite its derision as a formation, it has actually worked for england before.

it worked extremely well when england had a footballing cb/sweeper (mark wright) to do the ball carrying, and i cant think of a better player for that formation than the current tottenham captain

[Tugger2k]

and what about when he needs to be rested after a gruelling two games in 5 days?

[ampersand]

you mean the same player that played 3 games in 8 days at the back end of the season:P

2 of which were nailed on pressure 'must win' games

king ledley can be managed through the world cup, something rio cant be

[Tugger2k]

3 games??? and how much has he earnt this season for those 270 minutes of play?

i reckon both of them will struggle.

Edited May 14, 2010 by Tugger2k

[ampersand]

he probably earnt more in a week than the entire scottish league do in a season

but then

hes got more talent in his little left toe than the entire scottish league - so they both earn what their worth

EDIT: surely your in the wrong thread - isnt your world cup thread here?

[Tugger2k]

scottish 3rd division. normal guys earning a (sometimes less than) normal wage. the way it should be

and i can't get youtube at 'work'

[ampersand]

he's awful, so awful he could play for your vanquished nation, and you still lost 3-0

i miss you serfs at the big competitions, always good for the biggest laugh of the tournament.

[Tugger2k]

16-Jun-54 Austria  1 – 0  Scotland

19-Jun-54 Uruguay  7 – 0  Scotland

08-Jun-58 Yugoslavia  1 – 1  Scotland

11-Jun-58 Paraguay  3 – 2  Scotland

15-Jun-58 France  2 – 1  Scotland

14-Jun-74 Zaire  0 – 2  Scotland

18-Jun-74 Scotland  0 – 0  Brazil

22-Jun-74 Scotland  1 – 1  Yugoslavia

03-Jun-78 Peru  3 – 1  Scotland

07-Jun-78 Scotland  1 – 1  Iran

11-Jun-78 Scotland  3 – 2  Netherlands

15-Jun-82 Scotland  5 – 2  New Zealand

18-Jun-82 Brazil  4 – 1  Scotland

22-Jun-82 Soviet Union  2 – 2  Scotland

04-Jun-86 Scotland  0 – 1  Denmark

08-Jun-86 West Germany  2 – 1  Scotland

13-Jun-86 Uruguay  0 – 0  Scotland

11-Jun-90 Costa Rica  1 – 0  Scotland

16-Jun-90 Scotland  2 – 1  Sweden

20-Jun-90 Brazil  1 – 0  Scotland

10-Jun-98 Brazil  2 – 1  Scotland

16-Jun-98 Scotland  1 – 1  Norway

23-Jun-98 Scotland  0 – 3  Morocco

Played - 23

Won - 4

Drawn - 5

LOST - 14

what a mighty, mighty record you have. and lets not forget, thats when youve got past the might of the Faroe Islands, Andorra and Lichtenstein to actually qualify!!

now, i would suggest buggering off and creating your own 'im scottish and therefore no nothing about international football but i like to voice my insignificant and worthless opinions about the world cup' thread.

leave the real chat to people that have either

1) won it

or

2) haven't embarrassed their entire vanquished nation when they have qualified scraped past luxembourg

[Cardboard Box City]

Nope, that's not what I'm wanting - I'm wanting a team that has the first idea what to do.

[ampersand]

we should have 6 draws and 13 losses. robbed against the brazilians in paris

[Cardboard Box City]

robbed against the brazilians in paris

[ampersand]

How is Colin Hendry not stopping the ball crossing the line being 'robbed'?

[eFestivals]

barring the fact that he's been out for a bit but seems to be back now......

id say the last couple of performances in meaningful games from a right-sided tottenham midfielder have been pretty electrifying too

while being as hit & miss as Theo, but less dangerous.

I'd take Lennon over SWP, but I'm not sure that Fabio will. He appears to think SWP has some versatility (which, let's face it, Lennon & Theo defo don't), which I reckon will have SWP on the plane before Lennon.

[-pogo-]

being denied a second stone wall penalty is being robbed

[Cardboard Box City]

being denied a second stone wall penalty is being robbed

[eFestivals]

Well for the sake of the nation you must print out your Football Manager formations and post them to a Mr F. Capello care of the FA! There's very little time to waste!

[ampersand]

waaaa waaaa waaaaa I want my mommy!

[ampersand]

But surely thats all been forgotten about now with the other World Cups fresher in Scottish minds?

[-pogo-]

is she american?