Football 2010-2011

[The Nal]

I didnt think it was tapping up if it was the last 6 months of the contract?

[Alcatraz]

What players have Liverpool tapped up btw?

[eFestivals]

Woy had no issues saying Gerrard and Carra "did a good job" of selling Liverpool to Cole at the World Cup. I know he was a free agent but technically his contract didnt run out with Chelski until the end of June. So that could be considered "tapping up".

by the rules, that example is defo NOT tapping up - when a player is about to go out of contract he's permitted to talk to other clubs (is it from the day after the previous transfer window closes, before the window where their contact ends? It's something like that).

There's tapping up going on in all directions all the time, but the example you've given isn't one of them.

[eFestivals]

find one legitimate source in that lot. One newspaper article. One Journal. Something that isn't a Man City/Liverpool/Green+Gold fan posting on a message board who might be prone to embellishing things.

what you mean one of the loads of newspaper articles that caused those fans to make those message board posts?

They didn't come out of nowhere, all quoting the same figure you know. That figure was gleaned from public sources of Utd's debts, and widely reported in the papers.

The newspaper articles are out there, they just might not have come up with that search - that was the only search I did, and which gave sources which you'd only just now claimed didn't exist at all. But anyway, YOU have made posts on here previously discussing that £880M figure. So it's strange how you remember every stat, but not your own posts.

Google and you will find. I don't need to find things to prove anything to me, I remember them from the time. It's you that claims to not know of them, so it's you they interest - if they do interest. If they interest go find them, if they don't then you're not informed enough to make worthwhile comment.

[ralph250]

what you mean one of the loads of newspaper articles that caused those fans to make those message board posts?

Edited August 2, 2010 by ralph250

[jump]

You realise there's a whole new thread for this now.

[Steve P]

what you mean one of the loads of newspaper articles that caused those fans to make those message board posts?

[ralph250]

You realise there's a whole new thread for this now.

[eFestivals]

Neil, there's 4 posts in pretty much the whole internet. (looked at first 4 google pages). I'm sure there'd be plenty more if your argument had basis. It would've been widely discussed.

it was, including by you on these very forums. If you've conveniently wiped your memory, there's nowt I can do about that.

But as I've said, there's plenty out there. If you don't wish to find it and want to carry on with the belief that I've made it up, I can't do anything about that either.

You originally said there were no sources, for which I've proven you definitively wrong, even if you want to regard them as unsubstantiated. If I pulled up other better sources you'd no doubt take the same view, because as you've often demonstrated, if someone says anything at odds with your own limited knowledge about your club's doings those doings don't exist - you prefer to tootle along with your false belief; as proven by you never having tried to look into all the fines Utd got for poaching kids illegally around the early 90s, which very definitely happened and the FA &/or* Prem can show.

I'm not bothered about trying to prove to anyone what I know - I already know what I know. You either accept it or you don't. But if you don't, I ain't suddenly gonna turn round and agree that you're right.

[ralph250]

FFS (sorry guys)

it was, including by you on these very forums. If you've conveniently wiped your memory, there's nowt I can do about that.

Edited August 2, 2010 by ralph250

[The Nal]

*bump*

[eFestivals]

Use the search function of your own forum Neil. A search of 880 by ralph250 doesn't find any other thread than this one.

It might be in this thread, it might be in last years - but you might not have posted "880" in your own typings.

But you've not actually searched for "880" (not sure what you think you've done?), as searches are only allowed on strings of 4 characters or greater.

I said there was no articles. I don't consider 4 forum posts to be sources

yet they've miraculously been talking about the same number I've mentioned - and I read no footie forums. The number came from somewhere else - and that somewhere else is newspaper reports. As I say, they exist.

Bit unfair. I'm realistic Neil and will fully consider any substantiated sources to back up your points, except you never provide any. Give me an article to back up your claims and I'll read it. As it is, you post plenty of conjecture about United and aren't exactly the most neutral poster on them, so I'm sure you can understand if I sometimes ask for something to back up this conjecture.

Yet as I've told you countless times, for the many fines they got in the early 90s you'll find nothing on the 'net, given that it didn't exist at the time. So will you bother to do research on that, or - as time has proven - will you prefer to remain ignorant and ridicule the truth? This tells me that you'll make what you want to regard as an intellectual stance while being fully aware that it's really just gross ignorance. I'm not into headbanging.

Again I was 11-12 in 1995, so younger if before, so pretty understandable if slightly ignorant to complexities/frequency of poaching back then.

A bit of intellectual light at last.

Now try and match that up with what I know you really know: that being ignorant of something as you recognise you might well be does not put anyone in the position to rationally dismiss what they're ignorant of - yet you have done. And months (or years?) later, you're still trying to get me to headbang, despite your (at last!!) admission of ignorance.

Is it any wonder I don't bother?

[eFestivals]

The fat on the Tyne is all mine all mine, the fat on the Tyne is all mine.

http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Sol-Campbell-has-hit-back-at-claims-that-he-is-fat-and-out-of-shape-article543735.html

[eFestivals]

I read a story on Sky TV text last night that I can't find on their website for some reason.

It rather surprisingly said that the two biggest selling named Prem replica shirts worldwide in the last year were Liverpool ones, with Torres the biggest seller followed by Gerrard (the article didn't mention who came after those two).

While they're of course two great players I'm hugely surprised by that, particularly with Liverpool doing so badly last season. Given how much focus the likes of Man Utd and Chelsea are putting into promoting themselves overseas - and as far as I'm aware, Liverpool don't do anywhere near as much (tho I could be wrong I guess) - I'd have thought that Rooney or Drogba shirts would have sold far far more.

I guess that, overall, it's an indication of just how big a club Liverpool still are despite 20 years on the doldrums. If they ever manage to revive their on-field fortunes and get the new stadium built, it suggests that they're more than capable of matching the sort of off-field turnover that Utd have managed to do over the last decade or so.

[Stash]

But you've not actually searched for "880" (not sure what you think you've done?), as searches are only allowed on strings of 4 characters or greater.

[pink_triangle]

I read a story on Sky TV text last night that I can't find on their website for some reason.

It rather surprisingly said that the two biggest selling named Prem replica shirts worldwide in the last year were Liverpool ones, with Torres the biggest seller followed by Gerrard (the article didn't mention who came after those two).

[eFestivals]

Not too difficult to do though. I just search for "880" and it comes back with "Your search for the term "880" returned 13 results "

Eh? How? The forums search has always been set at 4 characters or more (which is the default for these forums), and if I try searching for "880" it returns the message

One or all of your search keywords were below 4 characters or you searched for words which are not allowed, such as 'html', 'img', etc, please increase the length of these search keywords or choose different keywords.

[eFestivals]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/8876682.stm

carragher is also in the top 10. Im not sure it means liverpool are selling more shirts, more probable because they have less big name players than man utd that man u shirt sales are probably spread over more players.

Thanks for finding the story - I guess I read it on BBC and not Sky.

But I agree, it's probably the case that Utd sell more across the whole team. I can't see Liverpool selling many Lucas or Insua shirts last season, for example.

But I'm still surprised that it's Liverpool players who make the top two - perhaps Torres isn't so surprising given he's an overseas player (and we're talking global sales) and Spain are Euro and World champions, but if I'd been asked to guess on sales for Gerrard and Rooney shirts, I'd have said that Rooney ones would sell around twice as many.

[The Nal]

Thanks for finding the story - I guess I read it on BBC and not Sky.

But I agree, it's probably the case that Utd sell more across the whole team. I can't see Liverpool selling many Lucas or Insua shirts last season, for example.

But I'm still surprised that it's Liverpool players who make the top two - perhaps Torres isn't so surprising given he's an overseas player (and we're talking global sales) and Spain are Euro and World champions, but if I'd been asked to guess on sales for Gerrard and Rooney shirts, I'd have said that Rooney ones would sell around twice as many.

[pink_triangle]

But I'm still surprised that it's Liverpool players who make the top two - perhaps Torres isn't so surprising given he's an overseas player (and we're talking global sales) and Spain are Euro and World champions, but if I'd been asked to guess on sales for Gerrard and Rooney shirts, I'd have said that Rooney ones would sell around twice as many.

[eFestivals]

8. Owen

Lots of glory hunters have switched teams....?

I'm not actually too surprised at that one - he's a big name that joined a big team, and at the point of signing it looked like it might turn out to be the bargain deal of the decade (tho it's not panned out quite like that).

I think it's much more surprising is that Nani was in the top ten the previous year. All the other players in those lists are either iconic players for their clubs or were new big signings for that season, aside from Nani - and he wasn't much more than a bit-player for Utd in the season before last. I find his inclusion very strange alongside the others.

[eFestivals]

I think the big difference is that gerrard is a scouser in liverpool while rooney is a scouser in manchester. Liverpool fans seem to give gerrard more of a god like status than united fans give rooney. I doubt there is a single crime a liverpool jury would ever find him guilty of!!!!

I'd have perhaps gone with Gerrard selling more if it was domestic sales only, but I'm not sure the idea you give much works on a worldwide level.

Then again, what the lists don't say is what proportion of the sales were domestic. So is it the case that the vast majority are sold in the UK? I'd have thought that overseas sales would dwarf the domestic sales, but perhaps that's not the case?

[sifi]

Maybe the Gold/Green thing that's going on with Manure has had some impact? Folk ditching their Ronaldo shirt maybe not buying a new official shirt?

[eFestivals]

Maybe the Gold/Green thing that's going on with Manure has had some impact? Folk ditching their Ronaldo shirt maybe not buying a new official shirt?

possible I guess .... but given the number of Norwich scarfs seen at matches it doesn't look as tho the protest actually translates into people not giving the club their money.

[Steve P]

I'd have perhaps gone with Gerrard selling more if it was domestic sales only, but I'm not sure the idea you give much works on a worldwide level.

Then again, what the lists don't say is what proportion of the sales were domestic. So is it the case that the vast majority are sold in the UK? I'd have thought that overseas sales would dwarf the domestic sales, but perhaps that's not the case?