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[ampersand]

...but they will see you have only had ONE job from your CV and therefore wont expect more than one... but like above--- you could always include a personal one. I`ll knock one up for you if you are struggling....

den

[Pogues Mcgogues]

if you do, make sure you put down 'unreliable'

[oafc0000]

Technically I've had two, but the store was bought over with contracts and it's the same management.

[sifi]

You serious ?

It is a reference from your previous employers saying how good you have been...

Edited August 24, 2010 by sifimaster

[sifi]

You could put down any previous employer... So one of the old managers would be fine if they are happy to do it...

Edited August 24, 2010 by sifimaster

[jump]

if you do, make sure you put down 'unreliable'

[oafc0000]

I don't think that's correct. Typically an employer's reference letter will confirm that you worked at that place, and possibly indicate the reason for leaving. If asked directly, the previous employer might release your sickness record.

An employer will not indicate whether you were a good employee or not. Not unless they want a law-suit, anyhow.

[oafc0000]

A previous manager is a personal reference.

[RABun]

I'm lucky in that i have a very good relationship with my current director, so he is really good about giving a personal reference. However my HR department have a policy of only confirming how long a person has worked at the company and the job title they held. No other information is given.

Edit* unless they are made redundant and then a little bit more information is given in the form of a letter of recommendation in most cases.

Edited August 24, 2010 by RABun

[sifi]

The danger there is Oaf - as upheld by the House of Lords, earlier this year - is that if you give a glowing reference, and the employee turns out to be the wrong person for the new job, you can be held liable for the cost of replacing that employee.

So essentially you'd be paying for your competitors advertising campaings, agency fees - and we know how much they can be - and cost of time for managers to reinterview folk.

I'd recommend against it myself, even if your intetions are good. Keep it utterly and totally objective.

More information here

[sifi]

Again depends on how the company receiving the reference views it. Not every company is a big huge blue chip that asks managers to go through HR.

[oafc0000]

The danger there is Oaf - as upheld by the House of Lords, earlier this year - is that if you give a glowing reference, and the employee turns out to be the wrong person for the new job, you can be held liable for the cost of replacing that employee.

So essentially you'd be paying for your competitors advertising campaings, agency fees - and we know how much they can be - and cost of time for managers to reinterview folk.

I'd recommend against it myself, even if your intetions are good. Keep it utterly and totally objective.

More information here

[sifi]

I wouldn't be subjective at all. Until the first precedents come through under the new rulings, I wouldn't recommend that any employoer role the dice. Unless you've got nothing better to do than pay for lots of legal expenses.

Although now that you are sans company, then you are writing a personal reference and you can be as purple in your prose as you wish.

Although, again, having read your posts for the last few years, that might not actually help your employees

[oafc0000]

I wouldn't be subjective at all. Until the first precedents come through under the new rulings, I wouldn't recommend that any employoer role the dice. Unless you've got nothing better to do than pay for lots of legal expenses.

Although now that you are sans company, then you are writing a personal reference and you can be as purple in your prose as you wish.

Although, again, having read your posts for the last few years, that might not actually help your employees

[sifi]

Then I would be personally liable!!!

[oafc0000]

You can't be held personally liable. It's not illegal for people to be idiots. However, apparently one company owes another a duty of care in such matters.

[sifi]

Well you know more about HR then myself...

In other areas though you can very much be held personal liable... aka why self employed people usual get Professional Indemnity Insurance etc...

[Pogues Mcgogues]

This has to be up there in the "most boring chat" awards of efestivals history. For f**k sake guys! :angry:

[oafc0000]

This has to be up there in the "most boring chat" awards of efestivals history. For f**k sake guys! :angry:

Edited August 24, 2010 by oafc0000

[Pogues Mcgogues]

To be fair pogo... It is your fault for not knowing what a reference was Need any other help ? Like Name, Address, Time employed ?

[llcoolphil]

Well you know more about HR then myself...

In other areas though you can very much be held personal liable... aka why self employed people usual get Professional Indemnity Insurance etc...

[oafc0000]

Either

1. Explain to me exactly what aka means in this sentence and why it is ok to use it

or

2. STOP f**kIN USIN IT ENTIRELY IN THE WRONG CONTEXT

Thank you.

[llcoolphil]

Hey grumpy xxx

[oafc0000]

lol. I made a mistake... Get over it

[llcoolphil]

lol. I made a mistake... Get over it

Edited August 24, 2010 by llcoolphil