middle classes all inherit £30M and go to Eton

[eFestivals]

Dave Moron thinks that he's a typical middle class person.

So Dave, how many of the middle classes have inherited £30M before they're 30, have gone to Eton, and have failed at each of the jobs their daddy has got them but moved onto a better job?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1302125/Sharp-elbowed-middle-class-Cameron-indifferent-rest-us.html

He also thinks that the extra tax paid by those earning over £150k a year is a an attack on the middle classes - despite less than 1% of the population earning over £150k.

The man is a moron, who is continually showing himself as completely out of his depth.

[jump]

Weird thing I have always found is that the people at the top & bottom of the "class system" can't tell the difference between those above and below them. I went to see a mate who lives on the same council estate I grew up on once and some randoms accused be of being posh, very strange.

I wonder where Cameron would put the real middles class on his scale?

[sifi]

I don't even know what is classed as middle class these days. I'm still working on the basis that the middle classes own the means of production, but with many people who are really working class having pensions which in effect allow them to own a very small share of the means of production confuses me. Just because someone works in an office, that doesn't make them middle class does it?

[eFestivals]

Just because someone works in an office, that doesn't make them middle class does it?

Nope. They're no less of a wage slave than the traditional 'blue collar' worker who is typically regarded as working class.

[sifi]

Unless Moron has got blue blood, he is probably middle class then. However, to say he is typically middle class is utter madness.

He is old money, though isn't he? Actually, he might be upper class, he's married into it?

I'm equating upper class with the landed aristocracy.

edit : I've just had a look on Wiki, and he's defo Upper Class.

Edited August 18, 2010 by sifimaster

[eFestivals]

Unless Moron has got blue blood

He has.

His grandfather was Sir William Mount, 2nd Baronet.

The Cameron family is a member of the ancient Scottish Clan Cameron

Cameron is a direct descendant of King William IV, and so he's somewhere within the list of heirs to the English monarchy.

Actually, he might be upper class, he's married into it?

yep, that too.

It doesn't get any more blue blooded than he is.

[oafc0000]

it's funny how some can quote the Daily Mail but others get attacked for it

[lost]

when I was younger I saw the middle class families as the professionals such as doctors, dentists etc.. when I think back to the typical lifestyle they had it was generally one partner working supporting a 4 bed house, with two kids in fee paying grammar school, a couple of holidays a year and a new car each every 2 to 3 years, I think its frightening the amount of inflation we've had in areas such as housing over the last decade that in the south east at least you probably would need a 150k income to support that kind of lifestyle now

[eFestivals]

it's funny how some can quote the Daily Mail but others get attacked for it

I read about Moron's "sharp elbowed middle classes" comment that he applied to himself and wife in a decent paper at the weekend. I tried googling for the original full quote and the best I could find was the Daily Hate Mail.

But given it's the Hate Mail and the Hate Mail likes to think of itself as the paper for the middle classes, it seemed apt to use that article as a reference, cos even that paper is rejecting Moron's wacky idea that he could possibly be middle class.

If I'd have presented you with a Guardian article about this, no doubt you'd have said "yeah, but it's the Guardian so of course it would slag off Dave Moron".

There's no satisfying an ignorant f**ker like you is there?

[oafc0000]

If I'd have presented you with a Guardian article about this, no doubt you'd have said "yeah, but it's the Guardian so of course it would slag off Dave Moron".

[llcoolphil]

Do you reckon ? Considering I hate Dave Moron and I read the Guardian every day I found that doubtful

[t8yman]

I dont think the class definitions are really that relevant these days. Many people would think I was middle class because I drive a pretty nice car, have a nice house and run our family business. But the truth is - the bank own the premises, a finance company own my car (so far), the bank own my house and I still get up at 4:30 am six days a week for 48 weeks of the year. And my pension is worth f**k all. Am I middle class? cos I dont feel very middle class.

[oafc0000]

I dont think the class definitions are really that relevant these days. Many people would think I was middle class because I drive a pretty nice car, have a nice house and run our family business. But the truth is - the bank own the premises, a finance company own my car (so far), the bank own my house and I still get up at 4:30 am six days a week for 48 weeks of the year. And my pension is worth f**k all. Am I middle class? cos I dont feel very middle class.

[t8yman]

Yup, you are cast iron middle class...

Edited August 21, 2010 by t8yman

[Pogues Mcgogues]

why?

I know plumbers, electricians, mechanics that earn more than I do. and are worth more than I am.

[oafc0000]

why?

I know plumbers, electricians, mechanics that earn more than I do. and are worth more than I am.

[t8yman]

tradition isnt what we are talking about, I'm saying I dont feel middle class in the traditional sense.

the bloke who runs the fish van that comes round our way is a business owner, and he is on the bones of his arse.

doctors are middle class, lawyers, accountants. I'm not in their league. not even remotely close.

[t8yman]

A lot of middle class people simply aren't content to sit on their possible wealth. They have to invest and spend it in things like mortgages.

[Pogues Mcgogues]

So if you have a mortgage, you are middle class?

[Purple Monkey]

If you have to work every day to get an income of any sort, I'd say you were working class regardless of what you "own". You work to hit a bare minimum; you're roughly one paycheck away from going into the red. Lose your job and you have to find a new one ASAP.

Middle classes to me are people who are like doctors, lawyers, bankers, investors etc who can afford something like a second home and rent it out or do something like raising a family of 3 kids without breaking much of a financial sweat. Lose your job and you'll sit in the black for a good few months at least.

Upper classes are those that are above any work at all.

Edited August 22, 2010 by Purple Monkey

[llcoolphil]

the whole class debate is a pointless waste of time imo...

as has been pointed out, traditional working class people have more wealth than many tradtionally middle class people, and vice-versa, with the same applying to other 'classes'....

what difference does the name of your class make? You are what you are, you earn x amount, you possess some stuff, etc...