Ex-Nazi, Kiddie Fiddling Apologist's Tour of Britain

[Kowalski]

[ampersand]

where is there discrimination against religion? there is rightful criticism, and I personally have said religion is based upon lies and fairy stories - thats not discrimination - its a statement of the truth

[ampersand]

aye, you are right there.

My lad went to Scouts tonight, and he goes to a catholic school...O LORDY MAMA... should we be inspecting his Malteser Garden for signs of fiddleage? He`s very pretty too, with long blonde locks...ideal candidate I would assume

Jordan! JORDAN! GET DOWN HERE, NOW! INSPECTION....

den

[sifi]

lies and fairy tales? so you were there 2000 years ago? naw didn't think so. making arrogant statements like that is what pisses folk off, and why you get called an arrogant bellend.

Edited September 17, 2010 by sifimaster

[ampersand]

The people who cobbled together the bible of course weren't there 2000 years ago either.

Whether or not Jesus Christ actually existed is reason for conjecture. Certainly contemporary soures don't seem to mention him to any significant extent ; and considering there is a wealth of contemporary sources, that seems to be odd.

In terms of fairy stories, I think just aboout anyone other than the creationist nutters - or fundamentalists in the other monotheistic faiths - would accept that as the case - they are meant to be metaphors for belief in God. Unless you honestly do believe that a bloke lived in giant fish for three days, or that all the animals all around the world - including penquins from the south pole and polar bears from the north pole - sent two of their number down to Turkey to go on a cruise.

Edited September 17, 2010 by ampersand

[sifi]

but that's old testemant innit? i was meaning new testemant which defines christianity. the whole jesus thing. people who define it either way as fact or truth are nobs, cos nobody knows.

[RABun]

I do think the catholic faith and many other religions are based in fairytales. I don't discriminate against people for believing in it though. I find it hard to understand why people still have faith these days, but its their choice.

I don't think we should foot the bill of the pope coming here, he is welcome to come but should pay for it himself.

I refute his claim that if the Nazi's were atheists then all atheists will be like Nazis, and i believe his speech was a call for all people of faith to rise against atheism, to denounce any ideas that there might not be a god. Hitler wasn't an atheist anyway.

I find the fact that he was complicit in the covering up at least 3 cases of child molestation and rape, and yes there is evidence to prove it, utterly revolting. The priests involved escaped justice and in some instances went on to commit offences again.

He and his church have proclaimed that using condoms actually increases the spread of aids, and have told the faithful not to use them, thereby killing hundreds of men women and children. I can't believe anyone on this thread can defend these two points.

How can anyone defend this?

[ampersand]

Those examples were old testament, but as far as I'm aware both old and new testaments are taught by the Catholic church - in my mind, the old testament is equally relevant because it's also recognised by Islam and Judaism.

If you want some fairy stories in the New Testament, you can think about how Jesus is meant to have fed five thousand people with five loaves of bread and two fish. Or seven loaves of bread and a small number of fishes if you believe in Matthew rather than John. Who to believe. John or Matthew. Tricky.

There are plenty of other examples in the new testament. My personal favourite has always been the water in wine at the wedding feast at Cana. Probably because I love the picture of it at the Louvre.

[sifi]

He and his church have proclaimed that using condoms actually increases the spread of aids, and have told the faithful not to use them, thereby killing hundreds of men women and children. I can't believe anyone on this thread can defend these two points.

How can anyone defend this?

Edited September 17, 2010 by sifimaster

[sifi]

key word in all that is 'believe'.

still arrogant and perhaps wrong for a guy in 2010 to declare it as false? he might believe it to be false, but the way he comes across is a bit arrogant for me.

[ampersand]

I don't think it's particularly arrogant to claim that a bloke didn't feed five thousand people from five loaves and two fish as at best unlikely, or that he walked across water, or stopped stormm from happening. I think people who believe in such things might get a bit upset because they look a little bit silly, frankly.

[sifi]

he's claiming the whole shebang to be false though. that's fine then, let's belittle the beliefs of billions of people in one arrogant swoop.

Edited September 17, 2010 by sifimaster

[eFestivals]

people who define it either way as fact or truth are nobs, cos nobody knows.

Do you believe that there's fairies at the bottom of your garden?

You don't know either way, yet I bet you'd have no problem betting your life on there not being any if you had to make a choice one way or another.

So why do you treat god ideas a different way, and give the idea some credibility when it's no more credible than there being fairies at the bottom of your garden?

The answer is: you've fallen for bullshit propaganda.

(and to cross threads for a moment, bullshit propaganda that modern philosophy helps give credibility to without a basis for any of that credibility).

Why are some people too dumb to think?

[ampersand]

i've not receieved any bullshit propaganda for islam or judaism, but i feel the same thing for this.

[eFestivals]

i've not receieved any bullshit propaganda for islam or judaism, but i feel the same thing for this.

that's a spin-off from the sympathies towards religions that you've been indoctrinated with from Christian angles, that's all.

But anyway, I see you've not challenged my central point and instead have decided to go for an irrelevance. Very well done.

[sifi]

Why are some people too dumb to think?

[sifi]

i've not receieved any bullshit propaganda for islam or judaism, but i feel the same thing for this.

Edited September 17, 2010 by sifimaster

[ampersand]

that's a spin-off from the sympathies towards religions that you've been indoctrinated with from Christian angles, that's all.

But anyway, I see you've not challenged my central point and instead have decided to go for an irrelevance. Very well done.

[sifi]

anyway, i'll go look for faeries at the bottom of my garden tonight. but i'm sure i'll just find spiders and slugs and maybe a hedgehog if i'm lucky. just a shame i can't go back 2000 years to give your analogy any credit whatsoever.

[eFestivals]

anyway, i'll go look for faeries at the bottom of my garden tonight. but i'm sure i'll just find spiders and slugs and maybe a hedgehog if i'm lucky.

So there's the proof that you don't credit the ridiculous and unknown as credible in normal circumstances.

just a shame i can't go back 2000 years to give your analogy any credit whatsoever.

How does an old story get to be more credible in your mind than the newer one of fairies at the bottom of the garden?

There's an identical basis for both: nothing at all aside from someone having said each is true.

You get to prove my analogy as true by your admission over the fairies BTW.

[Cardboard Box City]

I don't mind people not agreeing with people who believe in God (any sort of God that is - within organised religion or otherwise), but to say that you're sure there isn't a God and to belittle people for believing there is amazingly arrogant - 'just how the f**k do you know?' one wonders, but to do it with the militancy that some do makes them a f**king cock.

I'm as sceptical as they come on these issues, but the way some people go on is pathetic.

Edited September 17, 2010 by Cardboard Box City

[ampersand]

How does an old story get to be more credible in your mind than the newer one of fairies at the bottom of the garden?

Edited September 17, 2010 by ampersand

[sifi]

I'm as sceptical as they come on these issues, but the way some people go on is pathetic.

[RABun]

If you are religious you are allowed to say there is a god. Emphatic statement.

If you are an atheist you are not allowed to say there is no god. You have to say i'm fairly sure there is no god, but i dont really know?

Why can't i have a conviction that there is no god?

[t8yman]

i challeneged your answer. i thought that was the main point.

anyway, i'll go look for faeries at the bottom of my garden tonight. but i'm sure i'll just find spiders and slugs and maybe a hedgehog if i'm lucky. just a shame i can't go back 2000 years to give your analogy any credit whatsoever.