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Virtually all of the late 90's/early 00's Mainstream Metal output was bullshit Rap Metal and I think Rage Against The Machine made the right decision in jumping ship when they saw the music they helped bring into the public consciousness become a parody of itself and formulaic. In fact, just search for 'Nu Metal Bands' on Google and you won't be far from finding a lot of Korn soundalikes, all of whom sound shite and most of them appeared at Ozzfest at some point.

On the other hand, if you want to go deeper and find GOOD bands that actually play this type of music then search for:

Faith No More

early Red Hot Chili Peppers

Beastie Boys

Mr. Bungle

Living Colour

Biohazard

24-7 Spyz

certain elements of Anthrax

Body Count

Stuck Mojo

Deftones

Urban Dance Squad

Korn's debut album

Bands to avoid like the plague:

Kid Rock

Papa Roach

Slipknot

Taproot

Coal Chamber

P.O.D

Linkin Park

Insane Clown Posse

Crazy Town

Limp Bizkit

Incubus

Disturbed

Staind

Alien Ant Farm

Kittie

Mudvayne

Sevendust

Methods Of Mayhem

One Minute Silence

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No I mean their debut. Korn became shit post-Life is Peachy. Their debut was a breath of fresh air to the world of Metal when everything else being released in the mainstream was more or less 'Cobain-less Grunge' and stale Alt. Rock bullshit (note: Stone Temple Pilots). They had a completely different sound to everybody else, their music was dark, murky and bleak, it was violent and loud and in truth if they wanted to be remembered for something then the chances are they could have just released 'Korn' in 1994 and nothing else after it.

Life is Peachy was just them trying to make an uncommercial sound, sound commercial and the whole aura of it felt disingenuous. Follow the Leader was mediocre at best and was basically just 2 songs, a load of filler, and a generation of MTV idiots saying 'wow!!' at the sight of a bullet going through a wall. After Issues (shit album), Korn became largely irrelevant and their irrelevance culminated in quite possibly the most ridiculous and almost certainly the worst album by any band in the last 10 years - Korn: MTV Unplugged.

They're a shit band that got lucky by releasing 1 truly great album, and an album that should be listened to by - not just metal fans but a much broader audience.

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I don't really put their quality of music down to their popularity. Some bands benefit greatly from becoming popular - like Arcade Fire who are getting tighter and tighter with every record they put out. It's not a case of saying, 'yeah they're mainstream now therefore they are shit', Korn are just a very, very bland band who've done one great, respectful album to set a benchmark and the rest has just been there to sort of resemble what they did before except wrapped up in cleaner packaging. Their albums after 'Korn' were like bad sequels.

It's like what Machine Head did - to namedrop another mid-90s metal band. They started out as a kick-ass Thrash band and then stopped suddenly to do Rap music. Unfortunately I don't think Korn have ever really had a song like 'Imperium' to bounce back and have only really made it worse for themselves. Issues, to me, was the beginning of the end for Korn. The Untouchables was their death knell. Nothing on that album stands out to me and I was one of the first in my town to buy the damn thing when it came out. It was just song after song of pop-tastic disappointment, and when you see the songs from that album being played on the same music channel as Avril Lavigne, you know something has gone horribly wrong somewhere.

Korn's albums (and I'm ashamed to admit I have my fair share - along with various t-shirts) are in my oddities pile along with other such 90's embarrassments as Marilyn Manson and... well, half of the bands I told that guy to avoid like the plague. In other words - yes, I am ashamed of the music I listened to. Now that I am older, I have no excuse so I try my best when I can to steer others away from my mistakes.

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I don't really put their quality of music down to their popularity. Some bands benefit greatly from becoming popular - like Arcade Fire who are getting tighter and tighter with every record they put out. It's not a case of saying, 'yeah they're mainstream now therefore they are shit', Korn are just a very, very bland band who've done one great, respectful album to set a benchmark and the rest has just been there to sort of resemble what they did before except wrapped up in cleaner packaging. Their albums after 'Korn' were like bad sequels.

It's like what Machine Head did - to namedrop another mid-90s metal band. They started out as a kick-ass Thrash band and then stopped suddenly to do Rap music. Unfortunately I don't think Korn have ever really had a song like 'Imperium' to bounce back and have only really made it worse for themselves. Issues, to me, was the beginning of the end for Korn. The Untouchables was their death knell. Nothing on that album stands out to me and I was one of the first in my town to buy the damn thing when it came out. It was just song after song of pop-tastic disappointment, and when you see the songs from that album being played on the same music channel as Avril Lavigne, you know something has gone horribly wrong somewhere.

Korn's albums (and I'm ashamed to admit I have my fair share - along with various t-shirts) are in my oddities pile along with other such 90's embarrassments as Marilyn Manson and... well, half of the bands I told that guy to avoid like the plague. In other words - yes, I am ashamed of the music I listened to. Now that I am older, I have no excuse so I try my best when I can to steer others away from my mistakes.

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Marilyn Mans... err... Brian's music just isn't terribly scary to anybody anymore. He's also irrelevant.

There was a period in the 90's when he was a bane of society and every religious group in America wanted his head on a plate. Eminem was exactly the same. Their music was scary to a lot of people and was shocking for about 12 or 13 months, and then Eminem appeared with Elton John on the MTV VMA's, and Marilyn Manson's whole stage persona became a bit of a parody of itself. Nobody cared anymore.

The problem with Manson isn't so much his music - because that's never really changed since day one; it has developed but has never really changed - it's more the fact that the audience that grew up listening to him stopped being children. Like me now. I used to love Manson but I'm 26 years old and I've grown up. Manson hasn't matured at all with his themes so his problem is - how can he write songs that appeal to me as a mature 26 year old and still stay relevant by being a 40 year old man writing songs that immature teenagers now can relate to?

Manson is just passe. His music might develop but his whole image (which is more important to a lot of people than his music) is dated.

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Marilyn Manson's whole stage persona became a bit of a parody of itself. Nobody cared anymore.

The problem with Manson isn't so much his music - because that's never really changed since day one; it has developed but has never really changed - it's more the fact that the audience that grew up listening to him stopped being children. Like me now. I used to love Manson but I'm 26 years old and I've grown up. Manson hasn't matured at all with his themes so his problem is - how can he write songs that appeal to me as a mature 26 year old and still stay relevant by being a 40 year old man writing songs that immature teenagers now can relate to?

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Holy Bible? You mean Holy Wood?

I didn't say there was anything wrong with Manson's music, I just think he's a bit passe as a performer/artist and I find it hard to relate to his older stuff now that I am... well, older myself. Give a kid now Antichrist Superstar and it'll probably still speak to him/her. Give a kid The High End of Low; it won't. Give me both albums and I'd still listen to Antichrist Superstar with hindsight but with The High End of Low and I won't give a shit.

That reaction and ambivalence to his latest album is exactly the theme I'm getting at when I am telling people to avoid certain bands like the plague. The music might have seemed alright when I was younger but when I look back in retrospect, listening to the way Johnathan Davis sings in 'Got The Life' makes me want to laugh at the comical value rather than sing in unison with it. What might have appealed to me then really doesn't appeal to me now.

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Holy Bible? You mean Holy Wood?

I didn't say there was anything wrong with Manson's music, I just think he's a bit passe as a performer/artist and I find it hard to relate to his older stuff now that I am... well, older myself. Give a kid now Antichrist Superstar and it'll probably still speak to him/her. Give a kid The High End of Low; it won't. Give me both albums and I'd still listen to Antichrist Superstar with hindsight but with The High End of Low and I won't give a shit.

That reaction and ambivalence to his latest album is exactly the theme I'm getting at when I am telling people to avoid certain bands like the plague. The music might have seemed alright when I was younger but when I look back in retrospect, listening to the way Johnathan Davis sings in 'Got The Life' makes me want to laugh at the comical value rather than sing in unison with it. What might have appealed to me then really doesn't appeal to me now.

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