My music's better than yours

[eFestivals]

Eh? How did that equate to everyone getting on in the pub last night, where everyone was just talking to everyone, and where the entire pub was invited back to a party, compared to other nights when that would never happen?

You're taking those two scenarios as proof of what you believe, when it might not be any such thing.

The guy who invites people back for a party can be doing so for a multitude of reasons, but you're firmly fixed on the idea of it only being due to "friendliness". You have no idea if it's true.

Similarly, those who haven't invited people back you're putting down to "unfriendliness", when again it doesn't have to be any such thing. Again, there can be a multitude of reasons, including the simple of those people having a life already and not needing a new one. It doesn't have to be unfriendliness.

I've hung out in many different 'scenes' during my lifetime - including 'heavy' scenes for a number of years - and none stand out as any different. I've been invited back to parties by rockers, punks, skinheads, psych-os, pop tarts, danceheads, potheads, whatever. The numbers are extremely similar.

What has become very obvious is that it comes down to the personal circumstances of those involved. If someone has a partner or kids at home, they're less likely to invite a crowd home at midnight; if they live with their folks they're less likely to invite a crowd home at midnight; etc, etc.

And those who like heavy music are, by & large, at the younger end of the scale; they tend to grow up and broaden their tastes (I can remember saying as a standard stupid youngster "I'll only ever like metal", as did my mates at the time. It didn't last for any of us). And because they tend to be younger, there is greater opportunity for off-the-cuff parties.

If you take the simple view as you are, you end up with simple conclusions. They ain't right.

[eFestivals]

Why? I'm happy doing Download/sonisphere and Glasto. Like the vibe and line ups.

.... that' not you being unfriendly and dismissive, is it?

[Paul ™]

but the amount of shite on offer at those fests is unreal. especially so high up the bill.

and offering fests like that to someone who has declared a love of rock music is a bit wide of the mark.

[eFestivals]

and not to mention a lot of people who i know who were into that genre who self harmed as teenagers. yeah, they think amazingly of themselves.

So those people have social problems.

Which they might end up thinking is cured by inviting back a load of randoms who they can then think of as their 'friends'.

But let's keep it simple, eh?

[Pogues Mcgogues]

You're taking those two scenarios as proof of what you believe, when it might not be any such thing.

The guy who invites people back for a party can be doing so for a multitude of reasons, but you're firmly fixed on the idea of it only being due to "friendliness". You have no idea if it's true.

Similarly, those who haven't invited people back you're putting down to "unfriendliness", when again it doesn't have to be any such thing. Again, there can be a multitude of reasons, including the simple of those people having a life already and not needing a new one. It doesn't have to be unfriendliness.

I've hung out in many different 'scenes' during my lifetime - including 'heavy' scenes for a number of years - and none stand out as any different. I've been invited back to parties by rockers, punks, skinheads, psych-os, pop tarts, danceheads, potheads, whatever. The numbers are extremely similar.

What has become very obvious is that it comes down to the personal circumstances of those involved. If someone has a partner or kids at home, they're less likely to invite a crowd home at midnight; if they live with their folks they're less likely to invite a crowd home at midnight; etc, etc.

And those who like heavy music are, by & large, at the younger end of the scale; they tend to grow up and broaden their tastes (I can remember saying as a standard stupid youngster "I'll only ever like metal", as did my mates at the time. It didn't last for any of us). And because they tend to be younger, there is greater opportunity for off-the-cuff parties.

If you take the simple view as you are, you end up with simple conclusions. They ain't right.

[ampersand]

Musical tastes vary as do festival tastes, these festivals all sell out (or nearly do) each year so they must have their place.

But in relation to the topic of this thread and the comment then it is relative.

[Pogues Mcgogues]

.... that' not you being unfriendly and dismissive, is it?

[eFestivals]

and offering fests like that to someone who has declared a love of rock music is a bit wide of the mark.

And via which you get to prove that "friendliness" isn't any part of anything.

It's about those you want to consider as like-minded, and not friendliness. If it was about friendliness, then you're able to be friendly with anyone, but you only want to be 'friendly' with those you want to be friends with.

And funnily enough, when a 'rocker' turns up amongst (say) danceheads, might they act the exact same way as you've just expressed, just perhaps?

The more you and pogo say, the more you get to prove the whole premise of this thread as wrong.

[eFestivals]

I didn't mean it to be.

yet it was, all the same. From you, one of those "friendly" types.

The "unfriendliness" you're labelling others as is simply them doing the same as you. It's not fecking rocket science.

Paul - Sorry if it seemed that way to you. And I've looked at a few of these fests but think I'm best suited to what I know just now.

translation: I won't be friendly with those I don't want to be friendly with.

[eFestivals]

i was replying unrelated to pogo's point. how can people who self harm, who tend to listen to this type of music in my experience, think greatly of themselves and not of others?

Because they're doing the same as pogo has done here, and being dismissive of others who don't fit their (laughable) image of themselves.

They'll cosy up to those who make themselves feel safe and secure and unchallenged, no different to what every human does.

[Pogues Mcgogues]

yet it was, all the same. From you, one of those "friendly" types.

The "unfriendliness" you're labelling others as is simply them doing the same as you. It's not fecking rocket science.

translation: I won't be friendly with those I don't want to be friendly with.

[Pogues Mcgogues]

Because they're doing the same as pogo has done here, and being dismissive of others who don't fit their (laughable) image of themselves.

They'll cosy up to those who make themselves feel safe and secure and unchallenged, no different to what every human does.

[ampersand]

And via which you get to prove that "friendliness" isn't any part of anything.

It's about those you want to consider as like-minded, and not friendliness. If it was about friendliness, then you're able to be friendly with anyone, but you only want to be 'friendly' with those you want to be friends with.

And funnily enough, when a 'rocker' turns up amongst (say) danceheads, might they act the exact same way as you've just expressed, just perhaps?

The more you and pogo say, the more you get to prove the whole premise of this thread as wrong.

[ampersand]

neil threads are loltastic. acting superior just about sums it up.

[eFestivals]

Are you suggesting I go to fests that don't appeal line up wise to prove a point that was made tongue in cheek?

No, I'm simply saying what is. That people stick to their own, and believe their own to be the better. That's why it's theirs in the first place.

After all, people don't generally say "I'm going to hang out in a place I don't feel I fit", do they? After all, you've just clearly expressed the opposite.

[eFestivals]

i can be friendly with anyone

and so can everyone else.

Just the same as you, they pick and choose who they want to be friendly with.

Why do you think that just you have something special and different?

and yeah, i tend to be friendly with people i want to be friends with. i tend to avoid people who you can tell are twats and are going to be a nob to you. but i'm guessing youre the type who'll go open arms to neds at the bus shelter and looking for a convo, yeah?

Nope. I do it just the same as you do.

As does everyone else.

Which makes 'rockers' no more or less friendly than anyone else.

[ampersand]

No, I'm simply saying what is. That people stick to their own, and believe their own to be the better. That's why it's theirs in the first place.

After all, people don't generally say "I'm going to hang out in a place I don't feel I fit", do they? After all, you've just clearly expressed the opposite.

[ampersand]

and so can everyone else.

Just the same as you, they pick and choose who they want to be friendly with.

Why do you think that just you have something special and different?

Nope. I do it just the same as you do.

As does everyone else.

Which makes 'rockers' no more or less friendly than anyone else.

[eFestivals]

I think you're thinking too much into this

Or, just perhaps, you're not?

, it was a light hearted thread, where you bardged in acting superior, and you were given a bit of a tongue in cheek answer for your efforts.

right. But the whole basis of the thread in the firast place wasn't an expression of your own belief in your own superiority, was it?

Rock crowds in my experience, and it seems the experience of others, are notable for friendliness, both in pub nights, clubs and festivals.

then the problem is your lack of experience.

Come back and pick up the convo when you've wide enough experience to be able to base your beliefs on something less insular.

I don't only like one type of music. Why would I go to Glasto where it isn't represented?

But you do go looking something like a rocker (a leather jacket at least), which *might* just explain why you ended up feeling that you fitted in less there than in other places. Just perhaps like.

[ampersand]

Come back and pick up the convo when you've wide enough experience to be able to base your beliefs on something less insular.

[eFestivals]

you're a f**kin nutcase. he clearly stated in his opening post 'not everyone's favourite'. including his, so how is it his own? when he also goes to glastonbury and rockness and others. much like myself. i'm interested in lots, but when it comes down to it, the friendliest fest i've been to is sonisphere and the friendliest crowds i've been in are rock crowds.

Certainly for pogo (if not you) it's certainly what he mostly leans towards.

And both of your experiences are limited by your young age.

[Cardboard Box City]

Certainly for pogo (if not you) it's certainly what he mostly leans towards.

And both of your experiences are limited by your young age.

[Pogues Mcgogues]

Or, just perhaps, you're not?

right. But the whole basis of the thread in the firast place wasn't an expression of your own belief in your own superiority, was it?

[eFestivals]

jesus christ, he's stated an opinion in an off the cuff way. and you have to analyse it like an essay.

He put an subject up for discussion. What have I got wrong here?

It can only be by disagreeing, and by disagreeing in such a way that you're unable to argue back with any reasonable point.

That's not very friendly of you, is it?

yes, i pick and choose who i be friendly with. glastonbury crowds, rockness crowds, t crowds, soni crowds etc. yet sonisphere and other rock crowds tend to be the friendliest. can you tell me where i'm wrong?

In your assumption that your experiences are global for all; in your assumption that everything that happens when 'friending' is purely down to those you friend and nothing to do with your preconceptions which alter how you approach those that you friend.

I could go on, but it'll make your brain hurt.

[ampersand]

me and pogo have expressed opinions. as has paul. we have been civil about the differences in opinion. you are telling us that we are wrong. where have we said it's global for all? you're inventing stuff so that your bollocks arguing has legs.

we think rock crowds are friendliest, you obviously think something else is. we disagree. no-one is wrong.