"we're all in this together"

[sifi]

I just think if someone has been doing a job for years and years to an adequate performance level, then tye cuts start to bite and plenty of people are fired for capability, it'll start to come off as a horrid stinking conspiracy.

Which it is.

Utterly horrid.

[Steve P]

Mid-December, for about 9 months most likely, depending on how the work situation pans out.

I can imagine it will be preggo central at work. However, to qualify for maternity pay/benefits they'd need to be working up to and including their 25th week of pregnancy if I recall correctly, and the consultation plus notice period happens to add up to...24 weeks! So it's a bit late for most of them to hop on that particular bandwagon, unless they're already up the duff!

I think I'll email HR today and ask about the implications of maternity leave. I chose a good day to book as annual leave as I'm avoiding all the associated post-announcement misery.

[bunique]

My other half was made redundant while she was on maternity. My understanding is if you're on maternity then the only way that you can be made redunant is if they make your position in the company redundant. So if there are currently 3 people doing your job and they've decided they only need 2 then you must be offered one of those 2 positions. Not 100% sure i'm right, but pretty certain.

[eFestivals]

We're all in this together ....

Apart from Dave Moron of course, who has just put his personal photographer on the govt payroll at £35kpa. :angry:

It's clearly absolutely vital to this country's future success that Dave is photo'd all the time as he does his PM duties - and of course that's more vital than a nurse or a teacher or care for the infirm.

[Steve P]

Pretty much what I've gathered, yep. Additionally, if my post is deleted I should be offered a "suitable alternative vacancy" within the organisation that isn't substantially less favourable than my current post. Had a useful chat with ACAS on Monday night and have come across some threads on Mumsnet on the very same issue, but am holding fire on quoting legislation at HR until I get more detail about what's going to happen to our jobs. Just seems to take forever to get any information and the atmosphere at work is poisonous!

[bunique]

The poisonous atmosphere is something that companies try and create during redundancies in my experience, helps make a few more decide to quit.

[Steve P]

I got my maternity pay estimates breakdown yesterday as well so I think it'll be beans on toast for tea for the next 9 months!

[bunique]

I remember it well, try having spagetti hoops once a week to add variety

[jump]

We're all in this together ....

Apart from Dave Moron of course, who has just put his personal photographer on the govt payroll at £35kpa. :angry:

It's clearly absolutely vital to this country's future success that Dave is photo'd all the time as he does his PM duties - and of course that's more vital than a nurse or a teacher or care for the infirm.

[lost]

performance management was the reason I went contracting, f**king hated it..

[5co77ie]

I do feel rather sorry for the Dutch. I've just been reading about Lowlands. The government over there are taking the drastic action of raising VAT charged on the arts and culture by a staggering 13% (to cover the debt run up by Labour*) - which could mean many of the smaller arts and theatre groups the festival showcases will go to the wall

* = not actually true but closed minded people in this country say the global collapse was all labour's fault

[dakyras]

We're all in this together ....

Apart from Dave Moron of course, who has just put his personal photographer on the govt payroll at £35kpa. :angry:

It's clearly absolutely vital to this country's future success that Dave is photo'd all the time as he does his PM duties - and of course that's more vital than a nurse or a teacher or care for the infirm.

[gratedenini]

Give me a disposable camera and I'll do the job for £10 an hour.

[eFestivals]

Give me a disposable camera and I'll do the job for £10 an hour.

funnily enough, just yesterday Dave Moron realised he'd been a cock with awful judgement, and took his vanity crew (the photographer, and a film camera person) off the govts payroll and put them back on the tory party payroll.

I think his awful judgement over having put them on the govt payroll in the first place shows just how much he doesn't have a clue of what he's doing. To anyone switched on to what they were doing, then it would have been a no-brainer - you can't sack 500,000 people on the reason of needing to save money for vital govt services yet appoint two people to satisfy your personal vanity .... unless you don't have a frigging clue about the real effects on real people of the actions you're taking in govt.

[Gre]

funnily enough, just yesterday Dave Moron realised he'd been a cock with awful judgement, and took his vanity crew (the photographer, and a film camera person) off the govts payroll and put them back on the tory party payroll.

I think his awful judgement over having put them on the govt payroll in the first place shows just how much he doesn't have a clue of what he's doing. To anyone switched on to what they were doing, then it would have been a no-brainer - you can't sack 500,000 people on the reason of needing to save money for vital govt services yet appoint two people to satisfy your personal vanity .... unless you don't have a frigging clue about the real effects on real people of the actions you're taking in govt.

Edited November 17, 2010 by Gre

[dakyras]

..he`s already got one, a Nickon Clegg!

£10 an hour? You are pricing yersell out of this position Mr Darky.

I`d do it for £5.83 as long as it was for a minimum of 16hrs....

den

[llcoolphil]

funnily enough, just yesterday Dave Moron realised he'd been a cock with awful judgement, and took his vanity crew (the photographer, and a film camera person) off the govts payroll and put them back on the tory party payroll.

I think his awful judgement over having put them on the govt payroll in the first place shows just how much he doesn't have a clue of what he's doing. To anyone switched on to what they were doing, then it would have been a no-brainer - you can't sack 500,000 people on the reason of needing to save money for vital govt services yet appoint two people to satisfy your personal vanity .... unless you don't have a frigging clue about the real effects on real people of the actions you're taking in govt.

[eFestivals]

Though he was acting on advice from the cabinet sec who said it was inappropriate for the tory party to be paying for government business hence why he put them - and created temporary civil service contracts for other party apparatchiks - on the civil service wage bill.

OK, so not only is Dave Moron on another planet, the whole of the cabinet is too. Not that that's any great surprise.

As for it being "Govt business", every other govt has managed without need of an offical photographer and filmer for the PM, and there's been no calls for there to be one (unlike there being calls for proper social care, adequate welfare benefits, and adequate local govt services).

So the man has got to be a cock of the highest order to ever have thought of it as acceptable, which he clearly did.

[llcoolphil]

OK, so not only is Dave Moron on another planet, the whole of the cabinet is too. Not that that's any great surprise.

[eFestivals]

In the grand scheme of things it's a nothing story. Perhaps they wanted us to believe that they got caught out releasing this on a good day for bad news because the real bad news - compensation to former detainees and no investigation into MI5's role over UK complicity in torture - was completely ignored

I don't think it's a nothing story at all - I think it shows that Dave Moron & Co don't have any idea what life is like for normal people, and what effect the cuts he's implementing will have on millions of normal people.

I think that it fits perfectly along his stated idea that his family is "typical middle class" (which he's used to describe him & his wife). He's not going to be affected by anything he's doing, and neither (in his mind) are all the others who regard themselves as "typical middle class" (tho the reality is that most thinking themselves that are very much working class). So he can carry on without having to consider the impact of his policies.

I'm perfectly happy to go with the idea that things like this might be used as cover to hide another story, but you've got it arse about face here - the appointment of Dave Moron's vanity crew on the govt's payroll barely got any coverage, and neither did their removal from it again; the compensation for Guatanatmo detainees got a massive amount of coverage in comparison (tho I accept still not a huge amount overall) in all of the news sources I use.

[eFestivals]

Fact - did you see Lord Young's McMillaneasque witterings yesterday?

I did.

But I'd say that the massive put down he got back from Dave Moron shows that Moron has wised up a little in the past week (quite possibly off the back of the fuss over his vanity crew).

What Young said was stupid and politically ill-advised in the circumstances, and wasn't entirely accurate - but all the same there's an amount of truth to what he said. Lots of people with mortgages (but far from all) ARE benefiting from the lowest interest rates there's ever been, and via that have a greater disposable income than they had (say) 4 years ago.

But of course those people probably don't feel that they're benefiting, because the value of their houses has fallen, and so they feel poorer.

[llcoolphil]

I don't think it's a nothing story at all - I think it shows that Dave Moron & Co don't have any idea what life is like for normal people, and what effect the cuts he's implementing will have on millions of normal people.

I think that it fits perfectly along his stated idea that his family is "typical middle class" (which he's used to describe him & his wife). He's not going to be affected by anything he's doing, and neither (in his mind) are all the others who regard themselves as "typical middle class" (tho the reality is that most thinking themselves that are very much working class). So he can carry on without having to consider the impact of his policies.

I'm perfectly happy to go with the idea that things like this might be used as cover to hide another story, but you've got it arse about face here - the appointment of Dave Moron's vanity crew on the govt's payroll barely got any coverage, and neither did their removal from it again; the compensation for Guatanatmo detainees got a massive amount of coverage in comparison (tho I accept still not a huge amount overall) in all of the news sources I use.

[llcoolphil]

A month ago we were told we were looking at 500,000 public sector jobs going. Today that's come down to 330,000. I fancy the not-so-independent OBR is simply plucking figures out the air. How do you trust those figures when they change so dramatically in a month?

[MrZigster]

A month ago we were told we were looking at 500,000 public sector jobs going. Today that's come down to 330,000. I fancy the not-so-independent OBR is simply plucking figures out the air. How do you trust those figures when they change so dramatically in a month?

[eFestivals]

A month ago we were told we were looking at 500,000 public sector jobs going. Today that's come down to 330,000. I fancy the not-so-independent OBR is simply plucking figures out the air. How do you trust those figures when they change so dramatically in a month?

There's actually a solid reason behind the change in their projections - but it's still the case that it's simply nothing more than guesswork, and no more likely to be accurate than the previous Treasury projections. After all, all economic projections are being done by the same guys who failed to notice that they were buying and selling worthless bits of paper to each other to get us in this shit in the first place.

But the solid reasons are these: the govt has cut the money to local authorities by a fair chunk less than they'd originally said they'd do, and instead cut the welfare budgets by much more. So this means that councils will have to lay off fewer staff than was originally thought.

And of course that's politically smart of them. Few people give much of a f**k about what happens to people on benefits, because to nearly everyone that isn't on benefits, those that are are scroungers. Meanwhile, those people working for councils might vote Tory, and others might vote Tory too if they are seeming to be less destructive than had been previously suggested.

What *IS* noticeable in the new projection and which has been very underplayed in the media is that despite 170,000 less jobs supposedly being lost, economic growth will be far slower over coming years - which means that the OBR has woken up to the effects of the cuts, and is no longer going along with empty ideas that all these cuts can be made with little impact onto the rest of the economy. It perhaps won't be too long before Gideon is feeling that the OBR is a little too independent despite him appointing a clone as its head who was meant to agree with everything he said.