Tuition Fees March

[metallimuse]

If i was a copper I would have beaten the shit out of those pricks.Jumped up twats.

[brighteyes]

http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/society/britain-backs-middle-class-children-who-want-the-moon-on-a-stick-201011103243/

[eFestivals]

Game, Set and Match.

yeah, cos we have 40 years to protest and stop these cuts, eh?

The timeframes of these cuts make a Ghandi-type approach unworkable.

[sifi]

Are you really advocating violence, Neil?

[ampersand]

yeah, cos we have 40 years to protest and stop these cuts, eh?

The timeframes of these cuts make a Ghandi-type approach unworkable.

[5co77ie]

THE OMLY REAL CHANGE COMES THROUGH VIOLENCE... discuss

[eFestivals]

Are you really advocating violence, Neil?

I was merely pointing out that it took Ghandi something like 40 years to achieve his aims. And of course, unlike with for-or-against spending cuts, he had 'right' absolutely on his side.

It's not anything meaningful to throw into this conversation, that's for sure.

As for 'violence', it depends on what you're meaning. Yesterday wasn't violence at any meaningful level from what I've seen of it - the only thing that could class as that (that I've heard of, anyway) was the fire extinguisher being thrown from the roof, but I'd put that down to an individual dickhead.

It sounds like Dave Moron has realised what might be coming tho, with his praise of the old bill. Got to keep the troops on side, eh? - tho that might prove more difficult than he's thinking once the cuts for the old bill get announced. Here's betting that the govt find some way to absolve the Met from the same level of cuts as other forces get. Thatcher knew what was what - she cut the old bill a fantastic pay deal (which they're still getting) to buy them to her side in an age of similar disruption.

[sifi]

I was merely pointing out that it took Ghandi something like 40 years to achieve his aims. And of course, unlike with for-or-against spending cuts, he had 'right' absolutely on his side.

It's not anything meaningful to throw into this conversation, that's for sure.

[eFestivals]

Agreed, and he had a world war to use as a chip too.

Yep - and another nationalist leader (I forget his name) who has just about been written out of Indian history who WAS using violence.

Ghandhi's success is actually very strongly linked to that other violent campaign - he was chosen by the Brits as someone they could do business with as a way to marginalise the more radical alternative.

Edited November 11, 2010 by eFestivals

[jump]

Yep - and another nationalist leader (I forget his name) who has just about been written out of Indian history who WAS using violence.

Ghandhi's success is actually very strongly linked to that other violent campaign - he was chosen by the Brits as someone they could do business with as a way to marginalise the more radical alternative.

Edited November 11, 2010 by jump

[eFestivals]

Was he the other guy the one that ran the Quit India Movement?

I've no idea TBH - I know little about him, aside from his existence. I know there was a statue put up to him somewhere (I presume Delhi) around the time of independence, and that it was taken down again a few years after as the Gandhi myth became the default version of Indian history.

I know of him via the late actor Kenneth Griffith (probably most famous to younger generations as the gay Welsh doctor in 'The Wild Geese', or the vicar in 'The Man Who Went Up A Hill And Came Down A Mountain', or for his cameo in 'Four Weddings And A Funeral', but who was Peter Sellers' sidekick in all of his early UK films) who I knew - he was my son's cousin's grandfather - who had an interest in weird aspects of British history overseas (India, South Africa, & Ireland mainly, as far as I know).

[eFestivals]

at a guess and via some googling, I'd say the guy I'm probably on about is Subhas Chandra Bose.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netaji_Subhash_Chandra_Bose

[Ed209]

yeah, cos we have 40 years to protest and stop these cuts, eh?

The timeframes of these cuts make a Ghandi-type approach unworkable.

[sifi]

I really want to watch the Wild Geese now.

[jump]

I think the main difference between change being brough about by either peaceful means or violent ones, is that a peaceful change will be more likely to last. Violence is just bullying in the end.

Yesterdays violence is not how most of the protestors wanted the day to be remembered for.

[eFestivals]

I really want to watch the Wild Geese now.

oh no, Roger's eyebrows are all too much.

[funkymp]

Yesterdays violence is not how most of the protestors wanted the day to be remembered for.

Edited November 11, 2010 by funkymp

[Paul ™]

Who's to say they won't be arrested? I am sure I read there was over 50 arrrests made yesterday alone.

Pretty sure the police will be using all the evidence available to press charges as and when appropriate

[jump]

violence to others, to property

[funkymp]

Who's to say they won't be arrested? I am sure I read there was over 50 arrrests made yesterday alone.

Pretty sure the police will be using all the evidence available to press charges as and when appropriate

[jump]

Who's to say they won't be arrested? I am sure I read there was over 50 arrrests made yesterday alone.

Pretty sure the police will be using all the evidence available to press charges as and when appropriate

[funkymp]

the whole scene was rather baffling

not one cop outside the building before the demonstrators got in?

Edited November 11, 2010 by funkymp

[Paul ™]

Nah, it was only 35 arrested and 14 people injured.

[jump]

BBC reporting 51

[eFestivals]

I think the main difference between change being brough about by either peaceful means or violent ones, is that a peaceful change will be more likely to last. Violence is just bullying in the end.

I strongly disagree (tho as a general comment, not necessarily strictly applicable in this case).

Often violence is the only answer, particularly when violence is being used to maintain 'a wrong' - such as at points in the troubles in N.I., or with the Zimbabwe independence movement, or South Africa's anti-apartheid movement.