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  On 1/7/2011 at 6:58 PM, thetime said:

more of an observation, why do you think gigs/festivals are so expensive nowadays? you look at prices of gigs/festivals 10 years ago. It cant be a coincidence that this day and age when people are raping the people who make music that prices are going up and up to saturation point.

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Like I said, it's a can of worms, and I could go on and on about it... and I shall.

First of all, it's not tosh. It's the cold, hard facts.

Second of all, when a band goes into a studio to record, they're technically - in the eyes of the music industry - going on holiday because they're not doing anything (apart from the occasional web interview) to promote a product, which is why if you sift through any recording contract with a mainstream band, you'll notice something called a "deadline". If you worked (and I'm assuming you do), you'd get a set amount of holiday time and the rest you would be expected to work - and that's what a deadline is in the music industry. A deadline ensures that the band delivers when they are expected to - this puts immense pressure on the band and is usually what leads to most of the breakups, drug abuse, crap albums, etc.

So do some working out - the band has been shoved into the recording studio but they're not making any money because they're not out on tour promoting a product; and if they're not out on tour the only way for the music industry to make money out of them is through albums - which nobody will buy because they're downloading them. This means promotion of the album, tie-in promotions and endorsements and ridiculous adverts that feature hopelessly nondescript music casually inserted into them. That's the real rape of music.

Promotion is the biggest expenditure for the music industry, and whilst the band are taking a "holiday"/recording in the studio, all of the little mice are turning all of the wheels and lots of people are working behind the scenes to ensure that the band gets to that ultimate point - the almighty 'profit turnover' and coveted music award to remind them how great they are.

The price of having these people take you from Bromsgrove to The Brit Awards, however, is that you stand to gain very little in the way of personal wealth (because everybody that helps you takes a percentage) - so even if you DID download the music, the artist would stand to make about as much as they do if you DIDN'T download it. Thus, the only people who stand to lose money are the music industry.

You're talking about the destruction of the music industry as if it's a bad thing and yet if you took away the music industry, you would have more great bands and more great music to choose from, and they would benefit so much more financially from it. Which leads to...

Third, not once over the course of the last message did I say that it was right to steal music from independent bands - especially not established ones who have stuck to being independent.

My point wasn't that you should steal their music - my point with independent bands was that if they weren't established then there is no better way of getting their music across than giving it away to people for nothing on torrent websites, and then if they wish to make money, do as bands used to do and take it out on the road where you work your arse off every night.

Last, your "observation" about ticket prices is pretty much a load of bullshit, and even if it were true, it still wouldn't help the bands - and to make matters worse you're sticking your fingers even deeper into the wounds of the smaller bands who have been roped into this corporate shindig and work their arses off playing to half empty tents. Most of them aren't even playing for a pay check.

The other reason why ticket prices go up is because more and more people are becoming addicted to the drug of popular culture, and festivals being the massive cultural draw that they seem to be these days give them the ultimate fix - so they bump up their prices as a means of exploiting your habit. It's the price you pay for being a junkie,

The loss the music industry makes is largely incidental to the nature of festivals.

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If new albums were 拢1-拢5 instead of 拢10+ then the problem wouldn't be so bad..

Thats my excuse for using ye ol' torrents. I usually buy albums if they're reasonable priced, for example Eddie Vedders solo album, only 拢3. Is amazing.

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  On 1/7/2011 at 9:06 PM, Joe- said:

If new albums were 拢1-拢5 instead of 拢10+ then the problem wouldn't be so bad..

Thats my excuse for using ye ol' torrents. I usually buy albums if they're reasonable priced, for example Eddie Vedders solo album, only 拢3. Is amazing.

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  On 1/7/2011 at 9:06 PM, Joe- said:

If new albums were 拢1-拢5 instead of 拢10+ then the problem wouldn't be so bad..

Thats my excuse for using ye ol' torrents. I usually buy albums if they're reasonable priced, for example Eddie Vedders solo album, only 拢3. Is amazing.

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  On 1/7/2011 at 10:39 PM, Dave The Hedgehog said:

At risk of sounding like I've just pissed all over my bonfire, I bought 'These Days' by Bon Jovi in 1996, I think it was, for 拢16.99 from the local More Than Music shop here in Burton.

Music has always been over-priced.

What irks me is how the music industry put out these anti-copyright/anti-piracy adverts to condition people to think they're contributing to a greater evil by downloading music illegally. They're not. They're just not paying X amount of money for something they can get for free, and rather than understand the marketing potential of music downloads (even for established bands), the music industry does all in its power to try and stop it - only making it worse for themselves.

The worst thing the music industry ever did was clamp down on Napster, and they did so out of pure, cold-hearted greed.

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Why listen to a band you like online when you can just as well purchase their albums and shove them into your CD or record player without adverts?

we7.com had a total of 23 songs for Eugene Chadbourne - his discography is seemingly endless. There's no Big Black on there, Jandek is absent, Swans are represented by 73 songs... and any time I press play, I get somebody talking to me about insurance. I counted 3 adverts before I heard a single Daniel Johnston song.

What a shit website.

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  On 1/9/2011 at 6:36 PM, Dave The Hedgehog said:

Why listen to a band you like online when you can just as well purchase their albums and shove them into your CD or record player without adverts?

we7.com had a total of 23 songs for Eugene Chadbourne - his discography is seemingly endless. There's no Big Black on there, Jandek is absent, Swans are represented by 73 songs... and any time I press play, I get somebody talking to me about insurance. I counted 3 adverts before I heard a single Daniel Johnston song.

What a shit website.

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  On 1/9/2011 at 6:36 PM, Dave The Hedgehog said:

Why listen to a band you like online when you can just as well purchase their albums and shove them into your CD or record player without adverts?

we7.com had a total of 23 songs for Eugene Chadbourne - his discography is seemingly endless. There's no Big Black on there, Jandek is absent, Swans are represented by 73 songs... and any time I press play, I get somebody talking to me about insurance. I counted 3 adverts before I heard a single Daniel Johnston song.

What a shit website.

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