Jessie J

[amfy]

Jessie J is pop gash for the kids. The mobos are no more credible than the brit awards. There is nothing to worry about here.

What is worrying that there has been an utter lack of decent music coming through in the last 5 years.

Sure there are a few bits and bobs around, but I cant remember music ever being in such a bad state as it is now.

To be fair there was a lot of crap around in the 80s, but we were younger and less fussy then!

[NeilVJ]

Agreed. Its out there somewhere but increasingly difficult to find. I blame the death of the album and the dominance of short lived image based artists and manufactured bands with little if any interest in music and focussed only on celebrity lifestyles and financial gain.

I blame David Cameron for the demise of music, oh and Pat Sharp

[bamber]

Jessie J is pop gash for the kids. The mobos are no more credible than the brit awards. There is nothing to worry about here.

What is worrying that there has been an utter lack of decent music coming through in the last 5 years.

Sure there are a few bits and bobs around, but I cant remember music ever being in such a bad state as it is now.

One man's "pop gash for the kids" is another's Gold. Just accept these tunes for what they are, simple and beautiful? Sure, this appeals to young kids, but when did that ever necessarily preclude prodigiousness, kids loved the Beatles "She loves you yea, yea, yea" etc.? I never want to reach the stage in my life when I say "There has been an utter lack of decent music coming through in the last 5 years" that would just mean that I had stopped listening.

[bamber]

She got four MOBOs by the way.

A cole'tion of sounds, with a bassy rhythm, that penetrates the soul........

Edited October 14, 2011 by bamber

[russycarps]

I never want to reach the stage in my life when I say "There has been an utter lack of decent music coming through in the last 5 years" that would just mean that I had stopped listening.

Don't worry, I doubt you ever will as you seem to be very very easily pleased by poor music.

In a way I envy you. It must be great to have such simplistic views.

[eFestivals]

I never want to reach the stage in my life when I say "There has been an utter lack of decent music coming through in the last 5 years" that would just mean that I had stopped listening.

while it would be wrong to say there's nothing new that's decent, it's certainly a widely held view that currently there's the biggest lack of decent new and original music around that there's ever been.

To my mind, the music scene overall has again reverted into the same chart dominated gash that there was in the 80s, but to an even greater extent. There's very little innovation or originality, which hopefully might get put right by this recession.

With the current 'huge' chart acts of the likes of Jessie J and N-Dubz, it only takes a moment of crowd watching to see that acts like these are appealing most to 35-45 year old mothers and their teenage daughters, the same sorts that would have been loving Westlife in the past and which don't generally get labelled as any sort of 'music fan'.

[russycarps]

while it would be wrong to say there's nothing new that's decent, it's certainly a widely held view that currently there's the biggest lack of decent new and original music around that there's ever been.

To my mind, the music scene overall has again reverted into the same chart dominated gash that there was in the 80s, but to an even greater extent. There's very little innovation or originality, which hopefully might get put right by this recession.

With the current 'huge' chart acts of the likes of Jessie J and N-Dubz, it only takes a moment of crowd watching to see that acts like these are appealing most to 35-45 year old mothers and their teenage daughters, the same sorts that would have been loving Westlife in the past and which don't generally get labelled as any sort of 'music fan'.

Yep. But at least when westlife was around there was plenty to counter it. These days we are looking to the old acts who have been around for years to counter the likes of jessie J, and it shouldnt be up to them

If and when there is some kind of new innovation, given my age I fully expect not to like it. But I will appreciate it. I will appreciate anything that is original. And at the moment there is a severe lack of ANYTHING.

Bad times.

[swede]

Yep. But at least when westlife was around there was plenty to counter it. These days we are looking to the old acts who have been around for years to counter the likes of jessie J, and it shouldnt be up to them

If and when there is some kind of new innovation, given my age I fully expect not to like it. But I will appreciate it. I will appreciate anything that is original. And at the moment there is a severe lack of ANYTHING.

Bad times.

If theres nothing new in the mainstream that excites you then like me you either listen to some forgotten classics in your collection/on your ipod or dig around for new things that arent as mainstream. Ive always had a wide taste in music and due to there being nothing in the charts to my personal taste im always asking people at work to bring me stuff in to listen to, Ive always had a liking for dance music and one guy at work keeps blowing me away with the underground cds he brings in for me, people Ive never heard of.

[Pinhead]

Yeah, like I said - originality and good music is out there, somewhere, increasingly difficult to find though it seems and certainly not through conventional methods that are carefully controlled like iTunes. I seem to spend my time now collecting all the stuff I missed in the '90's when there seems to have been an abundance of decent music and music movements, new genres etc. "Might get put right by the recession" - heh, yeah we need another Thatcher bascially to drag those decent, controversial, hard-hitting political and poetic lyrics out of some new bands again I reckon. Hang on . . .

[russycarps]

Yep it's all about rediscovering bands from the past than finding innovation from the present these days, sad to say.

[airds]

I know the charts are shit, but let face it the charts have been shit for years. But there is loads of good music about, loads of bands just under the surface.

Just before punk, the charts were really bad, it always gets worse before it gets better, patience is a virtue....and in the mean time try listening to a few of these

Sound of Rum / Middleman / Skint and Demoralised / Cosmo Jarvis / Karl Phillips and the Midnight Ramblers / The Virgin Marys / The Amber Herd / The Skints / Dirty Revolution / Sonic Boom 6 / Random Hand / Crystal Fighters / Scoobius Pip / Art Brut.. off the top of my head

loads more good stuff out there, just need weeding out

Edited October 14, 2011 by airds

[eFestivals]

Karl Phillips and the Midnight Ramblers

never were a band so wrongly named. :lol:

Just out of interest, where did you come across them, then?

(a mate and sometime contributor to efests is their manager).

[Mardy]

Yep it's all about rediscovering bands from the past than finding innovation from the present these days, sad to say.

That's the problem though, cos record companies can make money from old acts, because everybody can immerse themselves in the past, there's no investment from record companies in new bands, Far easier to reissue something than deal with living awkward artists who might take a few albums to develop. And for the audience, why take the time to get to grips with something new when you can retreat to something old and a mojo approved 'classic'. nice and safe isn't it?

Except we're already reaping the harvest from the reissue madness/nostalgia/reformation hell that started in the 90s. It's only going to get worse. You think the Beatles/Stones/Hendrix would have had a chance if people in the 60s had unlimited access to music from the 30s? It's supposed to be contemporary, was never designed to be an artefact of longevity

These are dangerous, terrifying times for music. The changes to the copyright bill the other week, extending it to 75 years did nothing but harm music. We're fucked...

[Ed209]

Cliff Richard has a lot to answer for.

Not only did he plough us with crap music when he was alive, now he's dead he's still fucking us over

(and yes I know he looks alive, but cut him and you'll see the truth)

[airds]

never were a band so wrongly named. :lol:

Agreed, I was expecting some blues/rock band or some 50s style band

Just out of interest, where did you come across them, then?

(a mate and sometime contributor to efests is their manager).

There are announced for next years Bearded Theory, and I was bored one day so went through the list playing stuff from myspace/soundcloud etc, found their stuff and loved it ..........they remind me of Middleman (the UK band, not the US one), but with cruder lyrics

[bamber]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UQQu-SI7eg&feature=related

[staucemarli]

may be but its' different and amazing but i want see this for after some time.

Lor Da Vie

[bamber]

There is plenty to listen to. I just don't accept that there is this dearth that everyone here seems to be alluding to. Clearly Jessie J is not to everyone's tastes but the are plenty of original alternatives if you just look. Accept that Jessie has a great voice, can cut it live and interacts genuinely with her audience at least? For what it's worth, I think that the dearth is in boys with guitars only, and for me that is no great loss. The lack of decent four piece rock bands is indicative of a spent medium and nothing more.

[bamber]

Don't worry, I doubt you ever will as you seem to be very very easily pleased by poor music.

In a way I envy you. It must be great to have such simplistic views.

Music is simple in my view, it's just sounds and rhythms. It took me a long time time to learn it, but keep it simple stupid is a great Mantra. There is an awful lot of shit music out there, but it is shit because it is weak and unimaginative, not because it is simple.

Edited October 15, 2011 by bamber

[Dan R]

Agreed, I was expecting some blues/rock band or some 50s style band

There are announced for next years Bearded Theory, and I was bored one day so went through the list playing stuff from myspace/soundcloud etc, found their stuff and loved it ..........they remind me of Middleman (the UK band, not the US one), but with cruder lyrics

Just checked them out, really like them!

Always a nice feeling when you found some completely new music that you really like

Cheers!

[bamber]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6a3W3XoKlSM

[airds]

Just checked them out, really like them!

Always a nice feeling when you found some completely new music that you really like

Cheers!

If you liked Karl Phillips, try Middleman http://middlemanband.co.uk/http%3A__middlemanband.co.uk/Home.html, they have been going for quite a bit, but I have only just found them .

I was at the cockpit gig they write about on the front page of the website, and it was a corker, great gig

[eFestivals]

Agreed, I was expecting some blues/rock band or some 50s style band

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yup, my thoughts too.

There are announced for next years Bearded Theory, and I was bored one day so went through the list playing stuff from myspace/soundcloud etc, found their stuff and loved it ..........they remind me of Middleman (the UK band, not the US one), but with cruder lyrics

ahhhh, that had passed me by .... that's come about thru them playing Endorse It this year (the Endorse It people now have some sort or role within BT), and that came about (in a long winded way) because their manager is a sometimes efests contributor.

I was thinking they hadn't really made enough of an impact for random mentions of them, and that turned out to be right.

[bamber]

"I do this because I love it and I do this because this is what I was born to do, and I feel like I was born to write music to heal the world"

[bamber]

that's really awful..

heal the world?... and humble too

Try it again with your eyes closed and with an open heart. This is where enlightenment resides, all my life, all I wanted was to hear a soul singer sing like this. There is no holding back with Jessie, she is in touch with her sparks, she prickles with electricity, she epitomises free expression, she is a clean slate, against which all others will be judged. She is indeed a national treasure.

Edited November 12, 2011 by bamber