Jessie J

[fatyeti24]

me and my mum went to watch Jessie J. i'm 33 years old.

tbh, it was far too rammed, and we got tired of standing in the mud sooner than we got tired of Ms J.

[JC-Mo'Fucka]

It was definitley a 'screamy screamy, scream at every f**king movement Jessie J does in the highest pitched ever' type crowd. I hate to think what it was like in front of the stage.

She is a very talented singer, singing terrible songs.

[NeilVJ]

hahahahahaha

So all 16 yr olds listen to that type of music then. What a lovely sweeping statement that means nothing. It's great to see that the diveristy and inclusive nature of the festival is played out here on this forum. Jesus what a bunch of music snobs

Of course all 16 year olds don't have an awful music tastes. But mainstream manufactured pop music is aimed directly at that age range. It's not wrong to like that type of music, but don't even try and pass it off as real or genuine. Jessie J is no different from the Saturdays or Leona Lewis or JLS.

[MamaJojo]

It was definitley a 'screamy screamy, scream at every f**king movement Jessie J does in the highest pitched ever' type crowd.

Gotta disagree, crowd reaction was no different to say muse/U2/QOTSA in terms of 'pitch' - just regular cheering etc

I hate to think what it was like in front of the stage.

Pretty good actually. We were about 4 rows back, in the centre, as I wanted to see Jessie and the other 'arf wanted to be in prime position for (the ever-bendy )Alison Mosshart.

This sounded pretty bloody good - OPENER

She must be doing something right - one of the biggest crowds I've ever seen at a mid-afternoon other stage slot:

and this is a pretty fair asseement of the crowd(ie pretty fair mix between 0-60!!) - dont see this as over dominated by tweenies!!:

Writing credit on every track on her album, not too above herself to interact with the crowd (a la Guy Garvey who held the pyramid in the palm of his hand on the saturday), recipient of several notable music awards - great voice....just what exactly does it take for her to be perceived as a 'credible' artist. Just because she makes 'popular' (whatevr that is) music I dont think that that should diminish obvious talent.

Edited July 7, 2011 by MamaJojo

[ingear]

Just be thankful we didn’t have Florence at Glasto this year warbling away.

How dare you.....I loved Florence,Dylan........oh & Zeberdee!

[olive123]

Nightingale?

[king_oxymoron]

Interesting that a lot of the folk who actually went were impressed with both the talent and the banter!

I was one of those bigging her up before the event and in some ways I was disappointed. I thought the banter was too much sometimes and wished she'd shut up and get on with it, also I hoped for a cover or something as too many unknown album tracks in a row meant she lost most of my friends.

However the vocal talent is undeniable and she saved it in a brilliant Glasto Moment way with Price Tag.

[Big Vern]

I'm not particularly a fan but we were there as the Mrs is a fan. However I must say, I think she is probably a couple of albums away from been fantastic. I don't like her current stuff, it is poppy aimed at the tween market, but man, she can sing and seems a genuinely lovely accessible person.

[eFestivals]

ok - so what is your definition of a 'credible artist' then?

It's easier to define what isn't - and what isn't credible is a musical artist being liked for their looks and not their musical offering, which was what I posted in response to.

[abdoujaparov]

I have no idea who Jessie J is...I dont have a TV and dont listen to radio 1

[eFestivals]

Gotta disagree, crowd reaction was no different to say muse/U2/QOTSA in terms of 'pitch' - just regular cheering etc

Really?

I've photo'd thousands of acts from the pit at festivals large and small over the years. From one angle there was nothing different about photoing any of those bands for years, and then one day I was photoing Atomic Kitten, followed by Daniel Beddingfield. When both those acts walked on stage I jumped in shock at the crowd's reaction. Instead of the normal adult-crowd roar that I'd always experienced previously, it was girlie/young kids screams instead.

As I've already said, I didn't see Jessie at Glastonbury; my only experience of it has been on the local TV news, where they had the 10 year old come in who'd got up on stage with Jessie at Glastonbury - and they showed some clips.

The noise that the crowd made in those clips was HUGELY nearer the girlie/young kids screams that I experienced at Atomic Kitten and Daniel Beddingfield than the more-normal adult roar that's heard at festivals.

Writing credit on every track on her album

are those sole credits to her, or shared ones? Cos the likes of the Spice Girls got writing credits too - for adding in an 'oooh' or an 'ahhh', not for having anything of substance in the creation of the songs.

[Miss_Boo]

Efestivals for a moderator you certainly have some un-moderate views!

I don't know anyone who likes Jessie J for her looks She's certainly not in the "pinup pop princess" category a'la The Saturdays, Girls Aloud etc. I would hardly say she's got where she is because of her looks, I think that's a really strange statement actually! If you Google Jessica Cornish (her real name) you can find loads of Youtube videos of her in her bedroom aged about 18/19 singing her own songs to a backing track. She wasn't just plucked from obscurity for her looks and told what to sing.

[eFestivals]

Efestivals for a moderator you certainly have some un-moderate views!

I have views, which are no more or less moderate than your own.

I don't know anyone who likes Jessie J for her looks

Nor do I. In fact I don't know anyone that likes her, full stop.

But it's 100% clear from posts made in this thread that some people's 'appreciation' of her has absolutely nothing to do with her music. If you've not seen them, you can do by reading back on this thread.

Mind you, at least I get (a little, anyway - she does nothing for me personally, to me she looks decidely odd, but maybe that's the haircut) where those people are coming from a million times more than I did when (quite a while back now) people were posting on these forums that they had the hots for Kelly Osbourne.

She wasn't just plucked from obscurity for her looks and told what to sing.

And? It's what she sings that matters to me. I dislike pop-pap like that with a venom.

[MamaJojo]

As I've already said, I didn't see Jessie at Glastonbury; my only experience of it has been on the local TV news....

noise that the crowd made in those clips was HUGELY nearer the girlie/young kids screams that I experienced at Atomic Kitten and Daniel Beddingfield than the more-normal adult roar that's heard at festivals.

with the sound coming mainly from the cam.mics at the pit? probably from that perspective might have been the overwhelming noise.... but as someone who WAS there I can honestly say that that wasn't indicative of the crowd response for the majority of the gig.

As to her writing credits and history- a long record of writing songs for others both before and during her 'rise to fame' (for want of a better expression), not some manufactured pop act cobbled together from an advert on 'the stage' and she's put the slog in to get where she is- to suggest her popularity is down to looks rather than talent is laughable. I guess the 'people' spoke though because the crowd for her slot was immense.

I'm still interested to know though how you can be so disparaging and question her credibility when you won't indicate what your definition of a 'credible' artist is.

[eFestivals]

with the sound coming mainly from the cam.mics at the pit? probably from that perspective might have been the overwhelming noise.... but as someone who WAS there I can honestly say that that wasn't indicative of the crowd response for the majority of the gig.

All I can tell you is that they were BBC cameras - I've no idea where the mics for them were placed.

But in my experience the sound that cameras like that picks up is an 'overall' sound of the crowd, whereas what you will have heard from within the crowd will be much more closely related to your position and those who were around you.

I've not tried it, but I strongly suspect that if you compared the crowd sound on youtube clips of the BBC broadcasts (if they exist, I don't know if they do) of Jessie to the crowd sound for (say) U2, then you'll notice a huge difference between them - one will have a definite girlie-scream element while the other doesn't (to anything like the same extent, anyway).

As to her writing credits and history- a long record of writing songs for others both before and during her 'rise to fame' (for want of a better expression), not some manufactured pop act cobbled together from an advert on 'the stage' and she's put the slog in to get where she is- to suggest her popularity is down to looks rather than talent is laughable. I guess the 'people' spoke though because the crowd for her slot was immense.

From some of the posts in this thread it's clear as day that some of her popularity is down to her looks and not any singing talent that she may or may not have.

It's hardly the first time that an amount of a female artist's popularity is a result of her looks, is it? I point you at Sunday's Pyramid headline act, where as much has been written about her arse as it has her music.

(the same thing [in reverse] happens with males too - tho I'd say that overall it's to a much lesser extent).

I'm still interested to know though how you can be so disparaging and question her credibility when you won't indicate what your definition of a 'credible' artist is.

What I posted back against wasn't anything credible. I can't see how that can be disputed.

I've not made any statement of Jessie's credibility or not from my own perspective, and it's something I'm going to swerve because I've no time today to get into the argument that is sure to follow.

[ukslim]

The way I decide whether an act is worthy or not -- which is different from saying I like them myself -- is to try and work out whether they would be their own fan.

That is, are they cynically designing "product" for a "demographic" they have no respect for? Or are they making the kind of records they themselves would buy.

A good example is N-Dubz. I don't enjoy their music. It seems pretty clear to me that they take a prominent role in making that music (in collaboration with producers and session musicians, which is no different from, say, Radiohead), and it's music that they themselves like.

Whereas, most of the dross Stock, Aitken and Waterman churned out in the 80s for example, you can tell was created in the spirit of "the cloth eared teenagers who don't know any better will lap this shit up". With honourable exceptions, because SAW did oversee a few corkers.

[ukslim]

The Spice Girls (and other popular acts) get song-writing credits because of their established success (it's usually a con by managers to enable them to get another cut of what's nothing to do with them).

Why would you assume that a Spice Girl couldn't co-write a song? They spent enough time in studios and rehearsal rooms to know how a song fits together. It's not like the songs in question are the most complex ones ever written.

[bamber]

Will everyone posting here who is comparing Jessie to The Saturdays, Leona Lewis, JLS, Westlife and Duffy, please at least acknowledge that none of these acts has ever inspired a 10 page thread on this forum or indeed drawn such a huge appreciative crowd at the festival, so there must surely be something going on a bit different with this artist. Regarding our moderators comments on her "wacky" haircut/appearance, come on!? Is this not almost the norm for musicians, ( I've tried to include some artists you might like to prove my point.)

[eFestivals]

Regarding our moderators comments on her "wacky" haircut/appearance, come on!? Is this not almost the norm for musicians, ( I've tried to include some artists you might like to prove my point.)

My comment about her hair was mostly about me finding it unattractive, as well as Jessie unattractive - which is possibly the effect of the haircut. I'd have to see her with a different haircut to know how much if any was really down to that haircut.

Yes, I know that others have done similar - but I don't personally find those as unattractive.

And aside from that they're done with more style.

[fred quimby]

It's easier to define what isn't - and what isn't credible is a musical artist being liked for their looks and not their musical offering, which was what I posted in response to.

Yea those four chaps that were in the Beatles certainly were not credible, George Michael could be another

Gotta love the music snobs (not aim at efestivals that). Really seems that has something is popular with young people then it must be rubbish.

[Ian_Mackay]

Yea those four chaps that were in the Beatles certainly were not credible, George Michael could be another

Gotta love the music snobs (not aim at efestivals that). Really seems that has something is popular with young people then it must be rubbish.

I'm lost - how have the Beatles got anything at all to do with this debate?

[fred quimby]

I'm lost - how have the Beatles got anything at all to do with this debate?

In relation to efestivals comment about liking someone for their looks and not music makes them uncredible (I may of course misinterperated his comment). The Beatles had a massive following of young teens due to their looks but I'm not sure it made them any less credible

[The Nal]

In relation to efestivals comment about liking someone for their looks and not music makes them uncredible (I may of course misinterperated his comment). The Beatles had a massive following of young teens due to their looks but I'm not sure it made them any less credible

Yeah they had killer tunes too though. Even in the early days. And they weren't that good looking. Most girls say Paul was nice looking back when, but thats about it.

Poor old Rings was hardly Enrique Iglesias now was he?

Edited July 8, 2011 by The Nal

[fred quimby]

Yeah they had killer tunes too though. Even in the early days. And they weren't that good looking. Most girls say Paul was nice looking back when, but thats about it.

Poor old Rings was hardly Enrique Iglesias now was he?

True about the tunes and that, but I'm sure the screaming girls weren't all thinking about the tunes all the time.

I'm sure in 66 there were middle age white blokes moaning then about how uncredible they were because it was just their looks, oh and of course they were pop.

Edited July 8, 2011 by fred quimby

[eFestivals]

In relation to efestivals comment about liking someone for their looks and not music makes them uncredible (I may of course misinterperated his comment). The Beatles had a massive following of young teens due to their looks but I'm not sure it made them any less credible

It certainly makes that liking of them uncredible, in any musical sense - that's all I was getting at, nothing more.