gratedenini Posted January 29, 2011 Report Share Posted January 29, 2011 Firstly, I have heard nobody,not one person who hasn`t said that cutting the deficit is paramount. And tbh--anybody who would wants their heads looking at. The question of course is how to do it. I listened to PM Questions and one one hand the Tories say you cant have growth without these swathing cuts but Labour say that the swathing cuts will limit growth. I`m not sure...but seeing all these announcements of job cuts in Local Authorities scares the shit out of me. Once those jobs and services go--I could never see them coming back--they never have seemed to come back once they are gone. Whats gonna happen? thousands and thousands of people are going to be on the sausage..services will be cut. I do think theres a case for spreading the cuts over a longer period of time. And re services... I remember saying last year after walking past some council workers tending to one of those flower beds..y`know where takeaway carton get tossed on the way home... I thought.. well--that could go--save money on that sort of thing. Non-essential stuff. Its not nice.. esp for the workers...but if cuts have to be made.. this sort of thing should be first imo. The opposition is making a meal by shouting from the rooftops that Childcare and Mental Helth services will be cut etc..how true is this? I really do fear for the country at this rate... how is this going to end. den Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
llcoolphil Posted January 29, 2011 Report Share Posted January 29, 2011 Once those jobs and services go--I could never see them coming back--they never have seemed to come back once they are gone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diddly-dee Posted January 29, 2011 Report Share Posted January 29, 2011 That's not quite true - Labour spent from 1997 creating public sector jobs the tories had abolished. I don't think the cuts are a done deal yet. I think Clegg and the Lib Dems can be undermined and the coalition collapse - starting with the may elections and likely annihilation in Scotland. But it's going to need people to get off their arses - starting on the streets of London on 26th March Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diddly-dee Posted January 29, 2011 Report Share Posted January 29, 2011 you're obviously right in that those are the first kind of cuts that will probably be made. But to say they're not important (or non-essential) is a dodgy road to go down. Our environmnt is everything, as soon as it starts to look a bit ragged around the ages, it'll be no time before it starts to look horrible, then it'll start to be unsafe, and before you know it, people will stop giving a shit about anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
worm Posted January 29, 2011 Report Share Posted January 29, 2011 Good point. One person's non-essential is another person's very much essential. If you want to reduce it down to what is ABSOLUTELY essential then you save only pick services that, say, keep people alive (meals on wheels, home nursing and suchlike) and everything else - nurseries, children's seervices, community centres, libraries, parks & gardens etc. can go whistle. That's not the sort of society i want to live in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diddly-dee Posted January 29, 2011 Report Share Posted January 29, 2011 and how much we value our environmnet, and ourselves ultimately, as it seems anything and everything can (and possibly will) be sacrificed in the name of the (flawed at concept) economy... selling forests now..ffs!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gratedenini Posted January 29, 2011 Report Share Posted January 29, 2011 And here we have the relativist nightmare. We cannot agree on what is essential in truth because things are only essential according to culture, which in itself is transcient. So for instance, libraries are only essential in relation to our culture's evaluation of the importance of learning. Medicine and health services are only essential in relation to our culture's evaluation of the importance of a quality of life. The question is therefore not about what services are essential, but of how much we as a culture value certain pursuits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sifi Posted January 29, 2011 Report Share Posted January 29, 2011 Is it society that puts values on pursuits? Or the establishment? Why funding for arts, and not something the mob enjoys? Why opera, ballet, theatre and not say festivals? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
worm Posted January 29, 2011 Report Share Posted January 29, 2011 and how much we value our environmnet, and ourselves ultimately, as it seems anything and everything can (and possibly will) be sacrificed in the name of the (flawed at concept) economy... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coma girl Posted January 29, 2011 Report Share Posted January 29, 2011 (edited) Is it society that puts values on pursuits? Or the establishment? Why funding for arts, and not something the mob enjoys? Why opera, ballet, theatre and not say festivals? Edited January 29, 2011 by coma girl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gratedenini Posted January 29, 2011 Report Share Posted January 29, 2011 Is it society that puts values on pursuits? Or the establishment? Why funding for arts, and not something the mob enjoys? Why opera, ballet, theatre and not say festivals? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
worm Posted January 29, 2011 Report Share Posted January 29, 2011 How can we as a soceity have people on the street, hungry and all that stuff...but we see miliions being spent on The Arts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
worm Posted January 29, 2011 Report Share Posted January 29, 2011 Now thats a good point. I suppose theres something "civilised" about paying 40miliion to keep a Monet in this country but anti-establishment if the same amount was used to fund 100 festivals round the country for the people to enjoy..it would seem uncouth eh. I like "the Arts" ... and dont mind seeing large amounts of money being spent on "shite"..esp lottery money...however..what i cant get a grasp on is when really huge amounts of money are spent on just one painting..nobody can tell me any one single painting is worth these astronomical amounts paid nowadays. den Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
worm Posted January 29, 2011 Report Share Posted January 29, 2011 Answered your own question, the mob enjoys it and therefore attends and pays for it through ticket sales etc. Less popular things like ballet need a wee bit of help to keep them afloat. Personally I'd like to see things like ballet etc promoted as something that everybody can enjoy and hopefully shake off the elitest tag Edit: big fests make more than enough by whoring themselves out to the highest commercial bidder, but I agree that it would be nice to see some small local folk festivals etc getting a few quid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
feral chile Posted January 29, 2011 Report Share Posted January 29, 2011 (edited) Personally I'd like to see things like ballet etc promoted as something that everybody can enjoy and hopefully shake off the elitest tag Edited January 29, 2011 by feral chile Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
llcoolphil Posted January 29, 2011 Report Share Posted January 29, 2011 (edited) selling forests now..ffs!! Edited January 29, 2011 by llcoolphil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onemangang Posted January 29, 2011 Report Share Posted January 29, 2011 (edited) i go to an english course near me, at my local collage. i am sure some people on here can tell its working anyway the government have taken the fooking CUPS from the water dispencer, so now i have to either bring my own CUP or go with out.CUPS i mean come on thats just wrong, take the full water tank with the water in. just the PLASTIC CUPS, they must be so cheap in the first place. what next the light bulbs so we have to learn by candle light.take the pens, so we have to right in charcole. its the 21st century for god sake. :angry: Edited January 29, 2011 by onemangang Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gratedenini Posted January 29, 2011 Report Share Posted January 29, 2011 They used to do that in the 70's in school - they used to drag us oiks to the theatre to see ballets and operas. I don't know if that was a standard policy in all schools or just grammar schools. So it might still have been elitist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
worm Posted January 29, 2011 Report Share Posted January 29, 2011 (edited) the Foresty Commission are very much not necessarily the best people to be looking after our forests Edited January 29, 2011 by worm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
worm Posted January 29, 2011 Report Share Posted January 29, 2011 i go to an english course near me, at my local collage. i am sure some people on here can tell its working anyway the government have taken the fooking CUPS from the water dispencer, so now i have to either bring my own CUP or go with out.CUPS i mean come on thats just wrong, take the full water tank with the water in. just the PLASTIC CUPS, they must be so cheap in the first place. what next the light bulbs so we have to learn by candle light.take the pens, so we have to right in charcole. its the 21st century for god sake. :angry: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gratedenini Posted January 29, 2011 Report Share Posted January 29, 2011 Sounds like an efficient idea to me. It's when some wrinkly old bitch decides to take away your milk that you wanna get mad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rexclark Posted January 30, 2011 Report Share Posted January 30, 2011 I work for min wage, it gives me plenty to pay my bills and have a few extra quid but that's all. I do feel for anyone who does struggle and I hope anyone who is gets sorted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RABun Posted February 7, 2011 Report Share Posted February 7, 2011 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-12378565 so they cut the NHS and local government and business leaders want to take away any power from the unions to do anything about it. :angry: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RABun Posted February 7, 2011 Report Share Posted February 7, 2011 In planning, a fast-track system for key national infrastructure projects should be created that could over-ride local objections, said the IoD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
feral chile Posted February 7, 2011 Report Share Posted February 7, 2011 What amazes me is that they're expecting a very small turnout in the forthcoming Welsh referendum. Why are people so apathetic when how they vote could make such a difference? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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