The Cuts. Is YOUR arse twitchin?

[eFestivals]

while at the same time lying (surely not..? ) through their clenched teeth that they're giving 'us' more say in how things are run

I think Liverpool council have set an interesting precedent

And the tories set their own precedent by trying to slur Liverpool council as being unreformed militant marxists. Yet if that was the case they wouldn't have agreed to trial Dave Moron's big idea in the first place.

And now it's not just Liverpool council that are saying that Dave Moron's wet dream is an impossible task. Dame Elisabeth Hoodless, who is retiring from the Community Service Volunteers after 36 years has just slated the idea too.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-12378974

[Glitter+Vodka]

i go to an english course near me, at my local collage. i am sure some people on here can tell its working anyway the government have taken the fooking CUPS from the water dispencer, so now i have to either bring my own CUP or go with out.CUPS i mean come on thats just wrong, take the full water tank with the water in. just the PLASTIC CUPS, they must be so cheap in the first place. what next the light bulbs so we have to learn by candle light.take the pens, so we have to right in charcole. its the 21st century for god sake. :angry:

[TheGayTent]

No.

[eFestivals]

No.

yeah, but you work for one of the companies that give out the necessary brown envelopes to ensure govt contracts.

One day - if you and Dave Moron have your way - that's the only way things will be done.

[TheGayTent]

yeah, but you work for one of the companies that give out the necessary brown envelopes to ensure govt contracts.

One day - if you and Dave Moron have your way - that's the only way things will be done.

[eFestivals]

I also work in one of the industries hit first, longest, and hardest when the economy contracts.

except for the parts of it that have hugely profitable govt contracts of course - which weren't hit first, longest or hardest in this recession.

Are you capable of calling anyone by their name?

Yep, Dave Moron told the world that's his name, so that's what he's called.

Dave said "call me Dave". So I do.

And then he told the country to watch the Dave WebCam Moron webcasts. I never watched the webcasts, but I remembered the name he said he has.

If you don't like him calling himself Dave WebCam Moron you need to take it up with him and not me.

[TheGayTent]

except for the parts of it that have hugely profitable govt contracts of course - which weren't hit first, longest or hardest in this recession.

[eFestivals]

You missed the £1.5 billion pound wiped out of the DfT budget in the Spending Review then...

oh, you mean THREE YEARS AFTER the recession started?

Yeah, stuff hit three years down the line was hit first.

And it of course didn't benefit from greater spending in those first three years, eh?

[TheGayTent]

oh, you mean THREE YEARS AFTER the recession started?

Yeah, stuff hit three years down the line was hit first.

And it of course didn't benefit from greater spending in those first three years, eh?

[eFestivals]

1.) The recession in Britain started in the 3rd quarter of 2008. The spending review was 2 years after the recession started, and I might add the first opportunity the coalition had to limit the damage in part caused by their incompetent predecessors.

2.) I think you'll find that John Cridland (Deputy Director General of the CBI) stated in Jan 09 that the recession in the UK 'started in the construction sector'.

Shall I take a leaf out of your book and refer to you now and forever more as 'Know Nothing Neil' ?

Am sure everyone will find it highly amusing every time, and not childish, boring, and annoying.

1. it might have officially started in 2008, but those at the sharp end in the world of business felt the effects before the end of 2007. Smart builders had shut down new self-funded projects before the end of 2007. If your lot hadn't they're either very dumb or very happy with govt contracts.

2. that'll be the same CBI which talks constant self-serving bollocks and can be ignored about everything.

[TheGayTent]

1. it might have officially started in 2008, but those at the sharp end in the world of business felt the effects before the end of 2007. Smart builders had shut down new self-funded projects before the end of 2007. If your lot hadn't they're either very dumb or very happy with govt contracts.

2. that'll be the same CBI which talks constant self-serving bollocks and can be ignored about everything.

[eFestivals]

Right so now you've proved to be talking shit as usual you're attempting to change the meaning of the word recession.

I was using it outside of the govt definition of what is a recession, but my use was accurate within the literal meaning of the word. My apologies for not supplying the full government approved version.

The point was that the overall trend was downwards from just before Northern Wreck. The builders I know shelved developments that hadn't started or had barely started, and worked their nuts off to get the rest finished. Then they went off to the Bahamas or whatever until around 6 months ago. (Other areas saw the writing on the wall too - advertising, as it always does, predicted what was to come).

Builders with fat PFI and other govt contracts had less worries about whether there was the finance available to buy their output, as the long term contracts and money was guaranteed. They continued to pick up new business of a similar kind until after the tories came to power.

I was making the point of that difference.

Oh, and my company are broadly happy with the government contracts they do have.

Only broadly? Then they must be shit at negotiating PFI contracts.

What the industry isn't exactly overjoyed about are all the schemes that have been scrapped. There is less work about, order books are less full, in the case of some companies, running near empty.

Yep, it's bad.

Unless you happened to vote for it to happen just like this of course, which I guess you did.

[rabid]

why are they so mind numbingly stupid then..?

[rabid]

giving speeches that would undeniably encourage racist attitudes

telling us that we're going to be more in control while taking away fundamental choices

truly believing that if there were more 'proper' marriages and couples just stayed together (however much they might hate each other) everything would be better

where should I stop

the fact they're doing fine just means they were born lucky...

nothing particularly clever about that

[TheGayTent]

why are they so mind numbingly stupid then..?

[eFestivals]

That's from your point of view. Are you representative of the whole population?

What he's stated has a proven basis in fact.

When he says "the fact they're doing fine just means they were born lucky..." that's absolutely the case. A person's success on average is based massively more in their background than in what they achieve for themselves.

[rabid]

What he's stated has a proven basis in fact.

When he says "the fact they're doing fine just means they were born lucky..." that's absolutely the case. A person's success on average is based massively more in their background than in what they achieve for themselves.

[eFestivals]

oesn't make them stupid. Only one person can be PM, how much planning, collusion, scheming and backstabbing does it take to get there?

Yep, only one person can be PM. But is the person who is PM the person who deserves t6he job on merit?

The simple fact is that the UK has only had 34 years in all of its existence when the PM was not a privileged-at-birth public schoolboy.

In those 34 years that we had non-public schoolboys as PM, the governance of this country was on average no worse than it's been under those public schoolboys - which shows that there's nothing special about those public schoolboys ... aside from having gone to public school of course.

The vast majority of our PMs have been educated at Eton, yet not one of them has shown academic, social or political distinction above all others. The same is true for those PMs educated at other public schools.

They don't get to be PM on merit, they get to be PM only on the basis of where they went to school, and who they know. They get to be PM on connections and not merit.

A politician will say what they think the majority of people want them to say. to hear.

corrected for you.

[TheGayTent]

oh good...

my party is better than your party...

how progressive

[TheGayTent]

These road schemes have all been cancelled or delayed following the spending review:

• M1/M6 Junction 19 Improvement
• M25 Junction 30
• M6 Junctions 10a - 13
• A14 Kettering Bypass
• A160/A180 Immingham
• A19 Testos
• A19/A1058 Coast Road Junction
• A21 Tonbridge - Pembury
• A27 Chichester Bypass
• A38 Derby Junctions
• A45/A46 Tollbar End
• A453 Widening
• A5-M1 Link Road
• A63 Castle Street
• M20 Junction 10a
• M3 Junctions 2 - 4a
• M4 Junctions 3 - 12
• M54 to M6/M6 Toll link road
• A1 Leeming to Barton
• A19 Seaton Burn Interchange
• A19 Moor Farm
• A21 Kippings Cross
• A21 Flimwell to Robertsbridge
• A21 Baldslow
• A47 Blofield to North Burlingham

Which clearly has had an effect on order books, turnover, jobs, etc etc.

[eFestivals]

These road schemes have all been cancelled or delayed following the spending review:

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Which clearly has had an effect on order books, turnover, jobs, etc etc.

True ... but which had an effect from summer 2010 onwards and not before - a long time after the recession started.

Companies such as yours have been protected from the recession to a large extent by the taxpayer, something which the million or so who've become unemployed in that time plus the millions who have had pay cuts in that time would have loved to have happened to them.

But meanwhile what has happened to you - despite the mildness of it, because of that taxpayer's protection - is what you've voted for, what your beloved racist party had promised they'd do. So you don't have any cause for complaint, you should be cheering from the rooftops.

[the_hedge]

No

[TheGayTent]

True ... but which had an effect from summer 2010 onwards and not before - a long time after the recession started.

[5co77ie]

I hope as many people as possible take to the streets for flagship demonstration against coalition government cuts at the March for the Alternative on Saturday 26 March

We will gather at 11am at the Victoria Embankment and then march to Hyde Park for a rally.

[RABun]

True ... but which had an effect from summer 2010 onwards and not before - a long time after the recession started.

Companies such as yours have been protected from the recession to a large extent by the taxpayer, something which the million or so who've become unemployed in that time plus the millions who have had pay cuts in that time would have loved to have happened to them.

But meanwhile what has happened to you - despite the mildness of it, because of that taxpayer's protection - is what you've voted for, what your beloved racist party had promised they'd do. So you don't have any cause for complaint, you should be cheering from the rooftops.