Vaping

[eFestivals]

if its the same coil?

 

a quick google said that my new tank uses BVC coils, and the kanger uses OCC?

I wasn't trying to say it was the same coil.

I was saying your tanks are very alike to the Kanger Aerotanks, and the Aerotanks coils are cheaper.

(the tanks are too).

The OCC coils are for the Subtank, btw, and not the Aerotank.

Your coils are still very similar to the Aerotank ones, tho might have slight differences.

[t8yman]

ah, my bad. I read it wrong.

[Thearg]

I didn't get to grips with the basic starter kit from ecigwizard so it stayed in a draw for months 

but I dug it out for Festival no 6 last weekend,I basically used it for the 4 hour car journey and it stopped the craving but the experience wasn't that great,so today I decided to upgrade and bought another bundle from ecigwizard,this time spending fifty quid,I got an orbit mega rechargable stick thingy with adjustable  voltage with a nanotank automiser with charger etc and it's so much better than the last set up,it seems to be a real alternative to the fags,not too sure about the dosage they've given me but I'll experiment.

So if anyones thinking of starting vaping/ecigs spend a bit more and get something you can adjust to your needs,the first one,one of those shisha looking pens I got hardly any plume but this one,looks more like a lightsaber,lol,is much better. 

[nightcrawler13]

I've now been one year without having an analogue cig 

[t8yman]

well done, Ive smked on 3 occasions since may. all of them were festivals/very drunk.

 

wouldnt thank you for one under normal circumstances.

[nightcrawler13]

Nice job!

 

I'm now trying to cut nicotine out, I'm able to do it for a while, but alcohol leads me to going to a corner shop to buy cheap nasty nicotine filled juice....

 

Just need to get some citrus flavours, they have a slight kick which keeps me settled when drunk

[5co77ie]

well done - i've relapsed after 3 years - and back on the nicotine to ween back to zero

[5co77ie]

back off analogues for about 8 weeks now.

 

there's a BBC piece here:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/guides/zyb7tyc

 

I mention it as point 5 is 'Should vaping be allowed in public spaces?'

 

please add your vote

 

 

[t8yman]

I've progressed onto a couple of mods, i bought a Joyetech eVic-VTC Mini, a smart trickle charger with 18650 batteries, ad my most recent is a Kanger NEBox, the latter is lovely and dinky, compact, with a huge 10ml tank incorporated into the body, great for slipping into a jeans pocket.

 

 

the former is obviously just a battery mod, and therefore a bit less prone to faults/cracking etc, but is a lot more bulky, and with having a nautilus mini tank on top, its quite a lump, too big for a jeans pocket.

I'm looking into using a non subohm coil on the nebox, because I burned through a full 10ml tank in about 3/4 of a day yesterday with a 0.5ohm coil.

But I'm very happy with both, still rocking vampire vapes "pinkman" juice a lot.

and without the previous infractions mentioned above, havent had an analog since last May.

Edited January 14, 2016 by t8yman

[eFestivals]

thanks for that t8yman... I'd not been following new products, so didn't know about the Nebox. It looks interesting, so i might check it out.

5 minutes ago, t8yman said:

the former is obviously just a battery mod, and therefore a bit less prone to faults/cracking etc, but is a lot more bulky, and with having a nautilus mini tank on top, its quite a lump, too big for a jeans pocket.

just comparing the kit I use (iLeaf 20, 30 or 50 battery [I have one of each], and standard Aerotank) with the Nebox and hand in that photo, my kit is smaller and easily fits in my jeans pocket - tho I do worry about breaking the tank from the battery (tho I probably have no need to worry). It looks to be about half the size of the Nebox even with the biggest battery I use.

9 minutes ago, t8yman said:

I'm looking into using a non subohm coil on the nebox, because I burned through a full 10ml tank in about 3/4 of a day yesterday with a 0.5ohm coil.

I'm not entirely sure that a different coil will make much difference. I'd say the amount of juice used is much more to do with the airflow than the coil. I've tried loads of different tanks (including sub-Ohm Kangers), and my juice use went up with changes of airflow rather than power of coil.

As I make my own juice (very quick and easy it is, too .. and very cheap!) the amount of juice I use doesn't bother me, tho I had to reduce nicotine strength because of the greater amount of juice I was getting thru.

[t8yman]

ah, ok. I thought the power used in the coil was the main cause of juice usage. i'll check at the bricks and mortar shop later, she's great for advice. i like the nebox a lot, some people complained that it leaks, but they clearly state it should be stored and charged laid down, preferably charged outside of the unit due to heat causing the seals to expand and contract. I havent had any leaking so far.

if this image works, its mainly for size guidance.

 

 

 

 

[eFestivals]

24 minutes ago, t8yman said:

if this image works, its mainly for size guidance.

Thanks.

The small battery looks to be just a little wider than the iLeaf 20 & 30 I have, and the Nebox is defo wider than the iLeaf 50 ... tho of course they're all set-ups with the tank on top of the battery.

Overall I think I prefer the way I do it to using something as big as the Nebox. I sometimes have to take a spare battery &/or extra juice out with me, tho it's pretty rare that I have to carry them around on my person when I do that (they can be left in the car, etc)

[Paul ™]

Recently got the eleaf iStick TC60W and the Melo 2 tank. Currently using a Ti 0.5ohm coil, using the temp control am getting decent cloud. 

Think my next step into this world will be to attempt my own juice.

Best place to look for advise on that Neil?

[eFestivals]

52 minutes ago, Paul ™ said:

Think my next step into this world will be to attempt my own juice.

Best place to look for advise on that Neil?

You'll need:-

- at least one syringe. I use a 20ml one, tho I tend to make up about 300ml of juice at a time as I only use the one flavour. If you're making smaller quantities you might want smaller ones. You can get needle-less "oral syringes" from any chemist, or from Amazon.

(as I pour the various liquids into a small low-height jamjar and then syringe them into a big glass jar where they're all mixed, I get away with using just the one because I'm not contaminated the big bottles of mixing liquids. If you're syringing straight from each bottle you might want one for each liquid type).

- your mixing flavour. I buy from these people:-
http://decadentvapours.com/product-category/connoisseur-range/flavours/
As standard, use 15% of the flavouring in your mix - tho it can apparently vary dependent on the flavouring you use, and to taste. 15% is perfect with the flavour I buy (which is 'amber' from that link).

- nicotine juice, if you're still addicted. I've shopped around for this for the cheapest (e-cig) supplier each time I've needed some. Try and get the strongest strength you can, which is a 7.2% dilution (such as from here http://vapable.com/product/72mg-nicotine/). Stronger nicotine juice is illegal in the UK unless licensed to use it.
BE CAREFUL, IT'S POISON!!! And it absorbs thru your skin!!!! Wash your hands immediately if you get it on your skin, you'll defo notice the hit if you don't (and at least one person has already died in the UK from ejuice nicotine poisoning).

- PG &/or VG, at the mix that suits you (I've bought these from amazon, at around £5 a litre). You probably know already, but PG gives you the 'throat hit' and VG gives you big clouds. I use a mix of 80% PG and 20% of VG and tap water. (the tap water thins the VG a little, and the VG/water mix is 10% water). You'll probably have an idea of the mix that suits you from what you currently buy.

You can buy these as either "food grade" or "pharma grade". It's not anything to get hung up about, as as soon as you open 'food grade' in a non-sterile environment it becomes 'pharma grade'. Get the cheapest (normally pharma).

- plastic bottles to put the mixed juice in (available from amazon for about a fiver for a big bag of them). You might have some already, or you might need to buy some (I re-use the ones I've bought). I originally used only 10ml bottles but nowadays I fill into 30ml bottles and then if I need to carry some juice with me I tend to decent into the 10ml bottles as they're easier to carry.
eg: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Tenflyer-Plastic-Squeezable-Dropper-Bottles/dp/B00S7ZCU9O/ref=sr_1_1?srs=2701374031&ie=UTF8&qid=1452770068&sr=8-1&keywords=10ml+plastic+bottles - be warned, these tend to come from China so can take 2-4 weeks to arrive.

- a quantities calculator so that you get the mix as you want it. I use this one:-
http://ecigvape.com/simple_calc.php

(note: if using 7.2% nic juice, change the 'Base Nicotine Level' to be 72mg from the 36mg that's there by default. 'Target' is the nic strength you want, as labelled on shop-bought juice)

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Put the quantities into a big *GLASS* container with a lid, and shake it all about, and then decant into more-usable plastic bottles. (you might want a small funnel for the decanting).

THEN YOU NEED TO WAIT ABOUT 2 WEEKS - to let the flavours 'steep'. It really does make quite a difference to the taste. You might find the colour of the liquid changes in this time too (mine goes a fair bit darker).

I can make up a 300ml batch in about 20 minutes now, tho when I fiddled around with smaller bottles it was taking me a lot longer.

It's of course a bit of an expense to buy all the bits the first time you make it, and the flavour and nicotine juice gets used quite quickly compared to the PG/VG (so will need re-buying a few times before you've worked thru a litre of PG/VG), but i reckon it costs me around 10% to 20% of the shop prices - so I'm saving £100 or so or each 300ml batch I make up - not a bad return for 20 minutes work

Have fun, and let us know how you've got on.

Edited January 14, 2016 by eFestivals

[t8yman]

just been into the shop, went with a 1.2ohm coil, and sticking to my 18mg pinkman, dropped the watts from 40 down to 20 and its exactly the same as my previous kit, in a handier package - which is exactly what I wanted. I dont want massive clouds, I like discreet, I like using it in the pub, but theres nothing I hate more than seeing some tosser blowing plumes into the air in a boozer, it upsets people who dont understand it, and will inevitably lead to a blanket ban in pubs. I get away with it in my local, but I am discreet.

the woman in the shop was explaining the new regulations that are coming in in May, vaping has been lumped in with the tobacco euro regs (which is a joke) and restrictions on tanks (2ml max - yes 2ml!) and juice bottles (10ml max!) as well as other stuff that is just going to corporatise the industry, and/or drive it to the black market unless you are a true DIY guru.

[eFestivals]

3 minutes ago, t8yman said:

the woman in the shop was explaining the new regulations that are coming in in May, vaping has been lumped in with the tobacco euro regs (which is a joke) and restrictions on tanks (2ml max - yes 2ml!) and juice bottles (10ml max!) as well as other stuff that is just going to corporatise the industry, and/or drive it to the black market unless you are a true DIY guru.

oooo, I didn't know about that. I'll have to make sure I stock up on a few decent sized tanks before that happens, then.

[Paul ™]

Wow thanks Neil, very helpful.. Probably going to be a couple months before I get it all together, and reading the above it will be before May for sure!

[5co77ie]

2 hours ago, t8yman said:

 

the woman in the shop was explaining the new regulations that are coming in in May, vaping has been lumped in with the tobacco euro regs (which is a joke) and restrictions on tanks (2ml max - yes 2ml!) and juice bottles (10ml max!) as well as other stuff that is just going to corporatise the industry, and/or drive it to the black market unless you are a true DIY guru.

it is an effin joke -

"all refillable products may be banned, as they do not ‘have a mechanism that ensures refilling without leakage."

https://cigelectric.co.uk/e-cig-uk-regulation-2016/

 

and --- "The possibility of an EU wide ban if 3 member states decide a product “could present a serious risk to human health”."

Edited January 14, 2016 by 5co77ie

[5co77ie]

support the legal challenge here (I didn't know anything about this):

 

http://article20legalchallenge.com/legal-documents/

[Paul ™]

I don't understand, if you don't even use the nicotine in the mix, how can they be classed as Tobacco Products?

[eFestivals]

4 minutes ago, Paul ™ said:

I don't understand, if you don't even use the nicotine in the mix, how can they be classed as Tobacco Products?

That had occurred to me, too.

I'm guessing that they're being got via some sort of all-embracing rule, where a product that can be used for tobacco has to comply with tobacco regs.

[t8yman]

i disagree, i believe its down to the tobacco corps trying to heap regulation onto the ecig industry to raise the price, make it less convenient, and put the brakes on their rapid decline.

tin foil hat - i agree, but totally within the realms of possibility, especially when you see how the new regs are going to affect the ACTUAL tobacco industry

[5co77ie]

7 minutes ago, Paul ™ said:

I don't understand, if you don't even use the nicotine in the mix, how can they be classed as Tobacco Products?

you have big tobacco companies saying that's the case, and buying that stand point, along with lobbying hard to have them viewed as bad for human health - their political allies will then rule vaping as bad, and it'll be banned. Win for tobacco companies

[eFestivals]

6 minutes ago, t8yman said:

i disagree, i believe its down to the tobacco corps trying to heap regulation onto the ecig industry to raise the price, make it less convenient, and put the brakes on their rapid decline.

tin foil hat - i agree, but totally within the realms of possibility, especially when you see how the new regs are going to affect the ACTUAL tobacco industry

I think the regs are probably the result of the perfect storm.

Govts get a lot of revenue from fags (£1k-ish a year per-smoker in the UK), and is one of the reasons why fags haven't been banned yet. Encouraging people to give up of course reduces the revenues, tho it reduces things slowly ... and so it's easy to adjust govt revenues or expenses around the slow change.

Vaping has hit hard into the tobacco tax revenues in the last few years when it's become very mainstream, and even lots of the vaping businesses are probably operating off the radar of the taxman for simple profits-taxing too.

Then of course you have the powerful tobacco companies, who are seeing their market shrink rapidly.

And then you also have Big Pharma, who make shit loads from selling give-up-fags aids, another market that's being hit.

And on the other side of that is mostly one-off operators, and a bunch of people where many are still mildly ashamed of their vaping habit much as they were the fags, and who are used to having to silently take the hit from govts over their habit.

 

[modey]

Looking at getting myself back into vaping i had the tornado tank a couple of years ago but it looks like things have improved a lot since then anyone recommend a good kit for me to buy and where from? Cheers