2012 Lineup

[eFestivals]

I don't think they'd put Noel Gallagher up against The Killers. They'd share a lot of the same crowd.

'sharing the same crowd' is *exactly* what festivals have to try and do when booking acts that will appear on different stages at the same time.

Doing that ensures the crowd gets split, so that too many don't all turn up at just one stage.

Putting on opposing bands is not the way to do it, unless you have absolute certainty on how the crowd will split around those bands - which is very hard to judge and so is the less safe way of doing things.

[thejimbola]

'sharing the same crowd' is *exactly* what festivals have to try and do when booking acts that will appear on different stages at the same time.

Doing that ensures the crowd gets split, so that too many don't all turn up at just one stage.

Putting on opposing bands is not the way to do it, unless you have absolute certainty on how the crowd will split around those bands - which is very hard to judge and so is the less safe way of doing things.

Edited January 13, 2012 by thejimbola

[jump]

Since Kayne West & Green Day are being touted here's an interview with the guy from Big Day Out fest and surprise, surprise they are hard to work with as they try to make the fest about themselves.

http://www.thevine.c...ew20120113.aspx

There always seems to be a crowd that comes for the headliner, whether it's the Tool fans or the Rage Against The Machine fans...

That's a presumption, there's no presumption of anything anymore.

Well it feels like that in the crowd.

Yeah, but I mean we have four headliners. Green Stage, Boiler Room, as you know...and the main thing is that it's still a smorgasboard and it's trying to represent what is going on, in the best quality acts that we're happy to work with. There's some pretty good acts that I can't work with, because they're too geared around themselves. There's reasons why Green Day don't do festivals really, there's reasons why Radiohead don't do many festivals. Because it's very much about them, and we have to go, 'Well we don't know if we can compromise that much.'

Surely Kanye is one of those acts.

Yep.

So this year is a litmus test?

Litmus test we didn't really need to have, we knew that beforehand. We went down a long path with Prince, for 20 years we though that would be amazing. They contacted us, the year before. It seemed to be [happening] but the finish line never got pulled. And we weren't strong enough to call the deadline early enough and move on. It ended up being very late. Same with Blink-182. The Soundgarden thing -- I'll defend any band on the show to the death. They're all great. And it all came together fine. I think Kanye's an incredible performer. Whether it's worth the grief and headache for us is another story.

But it is always a tightrope, high-wire kind of act to try balance these kind of things. And within such a short timeframe to convince these people, plus having to move back [having tickets] on sale because we didn't have our headliners together, and having to pay [the headliners] more than we should have because it was on a short timeline...that's just business. It's nobody's fault. It's not the agents fault. It's our fault. Simple.

[gazza_20]

Since Kayne West & Green Day are being touted here's an interview with the guy from Big Day Out fest and surprise, surprise they are hard to work with as they try to make the fest about themselves.

http://www.thevine.c...ew20120113.aspx

[eFestivals]

For the same reasons similar to Green Day, I don't think Kanye will be there

except he was clearly cheaper this summer than what R/L pay their headliners and is quite happy to play a set of 1.5 hours - so no reasons similar to Green Day.

[eFestivals]

PS: .... a Kanye set of 1.5 hours is 1.5 hours too long.

If they want to book Kanye then the best place and way for him to perform would with a spoken word set in the comedy tent - cos comedy is what leaves his mouth.

The unfortunate part to that is that he means every word earnestly.

Edited January 13, 2012 by eFestivals

[thesecretingredientiscrime]

I'd love to say he'd got the white stripes to play a one last time show but I don't see it. And it's not been long but give the fact Babyshambles are playing without Pete, is there any chance at all that the libs may play again?

[Andre91]

If The White Stripes were announced this year I think I'd need to change my boxers :L its not gunna happen though.

[gazza_20]

except he was clearly cheaper this summer than what R/L pay their headliners and is quite happy to play a set of 1.5 hours - so no reasons similar to Green Day.

[gazza_20]

PS: .... a Kanye set of 1.5 hours is 1.5 hours too long.

If they want to book Kanye then the best place and way for him to perform would with a spoken word set in the comedy tent - cos comedy is what leaves his mouth.

The unfortunate part to that is that he means every word earnestly.

[gazza_20]

I'd agree with Greenday not playing. With regards to 'Shambles/Libertines, 'Shambles aren't playing without him, the bassist and lead guitarist are doing a solo tour of their own, Libertines won't be back 'till next year at least, if ever. Peter is making two films this year, and Carlos is in opera, Gary's doing label work, and supposedly Yeti are restarting with John.

[VCK]

Another changed line-up:

FRIDAY

MAIN STAGE

Foo Fighters

Biffy Clyro

Incubus

Public Enemy

You Me At Six

Bowling For Soup

Less Than Jake

Silverstein

Airbourne

NME/RADIO 1 STAGE

Chase & Status

Magnetic Man

SATURDAY

MAIN STAGE

The Killers

Dizzee Rascal

Lostprophets

The Gaslight Anthem

Rancid

All Time Low

Billy Talent

Twin Atlantic

Streetlight Manifesto

NME/RADIO 1 STAGE

Placebo

The Subways

SUNDAY

MAIN STAGE

Blur

Stereophonics

Vampire Weekend

White Lies

Death Cab For Cutie

Bombay Bicycle Club

The Naked And Famous

Blood Red Shoes

Girls

NME/RADIO 1 STAGE

Two Door Cinema Club

The Wombats

[eFestivals]

My reasons were from the big day out thing that he was difficult to work with and could imagine him having all sorts of demands.

well, Melvin has the experience of dealing with him now, so he'll know whether his demands are too much.

And along with that he should also know how he can hemmoage a crowd, unless he had his eyes shut at the time.

[jump]

This Melvin getting Kayne talk reminds me of Eavis getting Jay Z, he said something along the lines of he didn't know how to prounce his name and he was booked for the "kids" as he didn't have a strong enough headliner that year and needed the fest to sell out otherwise he wouldn't be able to carry on with it. I think most of that applies to Melvin and R&L this year.

Edited January 13, 2012 by jump

[gazza_20]

well, Melvin has the experience of dealing with him now, so he'll know whether his demands are too much.

And along with that he should also know how he can hemmoage a crowd, unless he had his eyes shut at the time.

[gazza_20]

Another changed line-up:

FRIDAY

MAIN STAGE

Foo Fighters

Biffy Clyro

Incubus

Public Enemy

You Me At Six

Bowling For Soup

Less Than Jake

Silverstein

Airbourne

NME/RADIO 1 STAGE

Chase & Status

Magnetic Man

SATURDAY

MAIN STAGE

The Killers

Dizzee Rascal

Lostprophets

The Gaslight Anthem

Rancid

All Time Low

Billy Talent

Twin Atlantic

Streetlight Manifesto

NME/RADIO 1 STAGE

Placebo

The Subways

SUNDAY

MAIN STAGE

Blur

Stereophonics

Vampire Weekend

White Lies

Death Cab For Cutie

Bombay Bicycle Club

The Naked And Famous

Blood Red Shoes

Girls

NME/RADIO 1 STAGE

Two Door Cinema Club

The Wombats

[Andre91]

Genuine guess at the main and just NME headliners:

Green Day

Avenged Sevenfold

Lostprophets

Black Veil Brides

Sum 41

At The Drive In

Less Than Jake

Gallows

Four Year Strong

You Me At Six

Bloc Party

Dizzee Rascal

The Black Keys

The Enemy

The Vaccines

The Wombats

Miles Kane

Jack Penate

The Naked & Famous

Franz Ferdinand

Foo Fighters

Tenacious D

Bullet For My Valentine

Placebo

The Gaslight Anthem

Billy Talent

The Subways

The King Blues

Viva Brother

Chase & Status

And then Lock up/Dance Stage headliners :

Less Than Jake

Cancer Bats

Justice

[TYLER_4]

bloc party are nowhere near big enough to headline.

[Andre91]

bloc party are nowhere near big enough to headline.

Edited January 13, 2012 by Andre91

[harderfaster]

We both know that Placebo and Lostprophets would be swapped.

[TYLER_4]

i might be wrong, but i just dont think they are headline material yet. Saw The Killers in '08 wish i didnt!! But i guess they have mass appeal.

[eFestivals]

That's true. Was he any good do you know at the big chill last year?

I don't really know - I was a part of the stream of people leaving.

I didn't leave because I wasn't interested in seeing him - I was. But when someone starts comparing the mild critisicm he sometimes gets with fair comment about Hilter, and starts singing down the mic that he's not a fake when he's using a vocoder to fake his voice, you know it's time to leave.

Having said all of that, he was utter utter joy to what went before - Jessie J. I'd be embarrassed to expose a 5 year old to that, knowing it was too juvenile for someone of that age.

[sjseabass]

Genuine guess at the main and just NME headliners:

Green Day

Avenged Sevenfold

Lostprophets

Black Veil Brides

Sum 41

At The Drive In

Less Than Jake

Gallows

Four Year Strong

You Me At Six

Bloc Party

Dizzee Rascal

The Black Keys

The Enemy

The Vaccines

The Wombats

Miles Kane

Jack Penate

The Naked & Famous

Franz Ferdinand

Foo Fighters

Tenacious D

Bullet For My Valentine

Placebo

The Gaslight Anthem

Billy Talent

The Subways

The King Blues

Viva Brother

Chase & Status

And then Lock up/Dance Stage headliners :

Less Than Jake

Cancer Bats

Justice

[TYLER_4]

Yay someone else thinks Bloc Party will headline! I would be all over this lineup . I don't think Cancer Bats would headline Lock Up though - Refused are my bet for one of the days.

[gazza_20]

Why? Lostprophets headlined the tent a couple of years ago, I can't see that they'd play that slot again so soon. Much more likely to play 3rd methinks.