Andy Copping Talks acts for 2012

[Hollie-Alice]

There has to be some level of diversity or range, the more you pigeonhole the festival the more you restrict both the choice of bands (leading to lots of repeats) and the potential market for ticket sales.

[PastCaring]

I just didn't expect a band like Paramore to be considered to headline a festival which I thought was rock/heavy rock/metal music

[Hollie-Alice]

Pretty much our reaction on hearing that there was a possibility of Chase and frigging Status heading ..... Though not so bad, I suppose, if there's something decent on the other stage

[cornucopia]

It's going too far with all this Modestep, Lethal Dribble (deliberate), Prodigy, Pendulum, Dizzee f**king Rascal etc etc - it really will be nothing less than a "chavtastic" festival in approx 5 years at this rate.

[neilloggie]

I think Green Day would be a good booking, one of my best gigs ever in over 30 years of gigs and festivals is GD at Leeds in 2004.

As for diversity and pigeonholeing the festival it is what it is a "rock Festival" and should stay that way otherwise it will end up like some of the others.

[Hollie-Alice]

I think Green Day would be a good booking, one of my best gigs ever in over 30 years of gigs and festivals is GD at Leeds in 2004.

As for diversity and pigeonholeing the festival it is what it is a "rock Festival" and should stay that way otherwise it will end up like some of the others.

[GRichards23]

if Green Day, Avenged Sevenfold and Metallica were announced as Headliners i would cream my pants.

But ain't gonna happen.

I could see Paramore subbing for Green Day with Sum 41, Good Charlotte and Deftones also playing the same night... so could look like this...

Green Day

Paramore

Deftones

Enter Shikari

Good Charlotte

Sum 41.

Thoughts?

Edited August 12, 2011 by GRichards23

[thedudeman]

Theres no way a7x are gonna be headlining material in 2012?

I love em but saw em at graspop this june and they defo play to backing tracks.

Anyone else noticed this?

[devilman]

Theres no way a7x are gonna be headlining material in 2012?

I love em but saw em at graspop this june and they defo play to backing tracks.

Anyone else noticed this?

[neilloggie]

Saw Seasick Steve at leeds last Sunday with John Paul Jones although not Rock/Metal what an entertainer, i could see him going down quite well with any crowd.

[crosswillcastyourshadow]

Donington will always have a place in my heart, being the first festival I went to, 9 years ago.

I don't rate Andy Copping as an organiser at all though. Just through the interviews I've seen with him, and the dialogue between him and the fans over twitter, he appears to have no comprehensive knowledge of pop music, as a whole, which you need to have whether you're running a metal festival or a dance festival.

His only point of reference for which bands would be suitable for the line up seems to be Kerrang magazine. Only booking bands that would be covered by kerrang narrows your demographic down to Veteran monsters of rock fans, and the teenagers and young adults who are drawn in by the acts on the bill who have more poppy inclinations.

The reason it's so stupid for him to overlook acts like Queens of the Stone age, Biffy Clyro, Manic street preachers, Mars Volta, Beastie Boys ect, is because these bands have appeal that spreads beyond fans of rock music, and would bring a more varied crowd in. The same can't be said of metal bands of equivalent size ie: Machine Head, Marilyn Manson, Bullet for my valentine, Avenged sevenfold ect.

The people who are arguing that by booking dance acts like the prodigy, chase and status ect, He'd be attracting a chavy audience are obviously lacking any knowledge of the said genre and it's affiliated sub-cultures, are probably lacking massively in social awareness, and probably haven't grown out of the mindset of the social hierarchies from high school.

I think the only way Download and Sonisphere can co-exist in the long term is if they both either down scale, or widen their appeal. The number of people who are happy to spend a lot of money on seeing headlining & co-headlining acts that have appeared numerous times over the past five years is going to dwindle.

I think also that Download would seriously up it's game if it moved to a later date in the year. Not only are a massive proportion of it's demographic doing exams in the first week of june, but the early curfew and late sunset means that the headliners play in broad daylight, which ruins the atmosphere for a lot of headlining acts in my opinion. Over the summer, I saw both System of a down and Pulp open their set by dropping a curtain at the front of the stage as they kicked in. For pulp, it looked spectacular and really added to the atmosphere. For system, whilst they were brilliant live, it had no theatrical effect as It was 8 o clock in the evening and the sun hadn't even started going down.

Rant over.

[crosswillcastyourshadow]

Less a prediction, More a "Who I would book if I was Andy Copping" in light of who's looking likely to be touring next year.

FRIDAY

MAIN STAGE

Van Halen, Deep Purple, Motley Crue, Manic Street Preachers, Steel Panther, Big Country, Ratt, The Subways, Watain, Revoker

SECOND STAGE

Machine head, Enter Shikari, Five finger death punch, Kyuss Lives, Bury your dead, Alesana, Kylessa, Kvelertak, Carcer city, Turbogeist

PEPSI MAX STAGE

Less than jake, Cerebral Ballzy, Bouncing souls, Tekone, Ghengis tron, The xcerts, Iwrestledabearonce, Kyoto drive, Kong From the kites of san quentin

SATURDAY

MAIN STAGE

Paramore, No Doubt, Airborne, Lamb of God, Taking Back Sunday, Letlive, Thrice, And so I watch you from afar, Japanese Voyeurs, Arcane roots,

SECOND STAGE

Queens of the stoneage, Wolfmother, CKY, Clutch, Therapy?, Rival schools, Tame Impala, Jim Jones revue, Turbonegro, Rinoa, The Butterfly explosion

PEPSI MAX STAGE

Carcass, Devin Townsend, Devil sold his soul, Middle class rut, Textures, The ocean between us, if heroes should fail, October file, O Children, Wolf

SUNDAY

MAIN STAGE

Rammstein, The Prodigy, Chase & status, A Day to remember, Mastodon, Architects, Godsmack, Third eye blind, Whitechapel, Sabaton, While she sleeps

SECOND STAGE

Youmeatsix, Bring me the Horizon, Dir en grey, Blitz Kids, Fun Lovin’ Criminals, My Passion, Pitchshifter, Dance Gavin Dance, Every time I die, In this moment, Castrovalva, Hawk eyes

PEPSI MAX STAGE

Gang of four, 65 days of static, Corrosion of conformity, Touche amore, Paige, Hidden Orchestra, This will destroy you, The ocean, Khuda, Knut

[luckysalt]

Donington will always have a place in my heart, being the first festival I went to, 9 years ago.

I don't rate Andy Copping as an organiser at all though. Just through the interviews I've seen with him, and the dialogue between him and the fans over twitter, he appears to have no comprehensive knowledge of pop music, as a whole, which you need to have whether you're running a metal festival or a dance festival.

His only point of reference for which bands would be suitable for the line up seems to be Kerrang magazine. Only booking bands that would be covered by kerrang narrows your demographic down to Veteran monsters of rock fans, and the teenagers and young adults who are drawn in by the acts on the bill who have more poppy inclinations.

The reason it's so stupid for him to overlook acts like Queens of the Stone age, Biffy Clyro, Manic street preachers, Mars Volta, Beastie Boys ect, is because these bands have appeal that spreads beyond fans of rock music, and would bring a more varied crowd in. The same can't be said of metal bands of equivalent size ie: Machine Head, Marilyn Manson, Bullet for my valentine, Avenged sevenfold ect.

The people who are arguing that by booking dance acts like the prodigy, chase and status ect, He'd be attracting a chavy audience are obviously lacking any knowledge of the said genre and it's affiliated sub-cultures, are probably lacking massively in social awareness, and probably haven't grown out of the mindset of the social hierarchies from high school.

I think the only way Download and Sonisphere can co-exist in the long term is if they both either down scale, or widen their appeal. The number of people who are happy to spend a lot of money on seeing headlining & co-headlining acts that have appeared numerous times over the past five years is going to dwindle.

I think also that Download would seriously up it's game if it moved to a later date in the year. Not only are a massive proportion of it's demographic doing exams in the first week of june, but the early curfew and late sunset means that the headliners play in broad daylight, which ruins the atmosphere for a lot of headlining acts in my opinion. Over the summer, I saw both System of a down and Pulp open their set by dropping a curtain at the front of the stage as they kicked in. For pulp, it looked spectacular and really added to the atmosphere. For system, whilst they were brilliant live, it had no theatrical effect as It was 8 o clock in the evening and the sun hadn't even started going down.

Rant over.

[thedudeman]

Donington will always have a place in my heart, being the first festival I went to, 9 years ago.

I don't rate Andy Copping as an organiser at all though. Just through the interviews I've seen with him, and the dialogue between him and the fans over twitter, he appears to have no comprehensive knowledge of pop music, as a whole, which you need to have whether you're running a metal festival or a dance festival.

His only point of reference for which bands would be suitable for the line up seems to be Kerrang magazine. Only booking bands that would be covered by kerrang narrows your demographic down to Veteran monsters of rock fans, and the teenagers and young adults who are drawn in by the acts on the bill who have more poppy inclinations.

The reason it's so stupid for him to overlook acts like Queens of the Stone age, Biffy Clyro, Manic street preachers, Mars Volta, Beastie Boys ect, is because these bands have appeal that spreads beyond fans of rock music, and would bring a more varied crowd in. The same can't be said of metal bands of equivalent size ie: Machine Head, Marilyn Manson, Bullet for my valentine, Avenged sevenfold ect.

The people who are arguing that by booking dance acts like the prodigy, chase and status ect, He'd be attracting a chavy audience are obviously lacking any knowledge of the said genre and it's affiliated sub-cultures, are probably lacking massively in social awareness, and probably haven't grown out of the mindset of the social hierarchies from high school.

I think the only way Download and Sonisphere can co-exist in the long term is if they both either down scale, or widen their appeal. The number of people who are happy to spend a lot of money on seeing headlining & co-headlining acts that have appeared numerous times over the past five years is going to dwindle.

I think also that Download would seriously up it's game if it moved to a later date in the year. Not only are a massive proportion of it's demographic doing exams in the first week of june, but the early curfew and late sunset means that the headliners play in broad daylight, which ruins the atmosphere for a lot of headlining acts in my opinion. Over the summer, I saw both System of a down and Pulp open their set by dropping a curtain at the front of the stage as they kicked in. For pulp, it looked spectacular and really added to the atmosphere. For system, whilst they were brilliant live, it had no theatrical effect as It was 8 o clock in the evening and the sun hadn't even started going down.

Rant over.

[luckysalt]

Spoke to Andy some months back about the Manics and I said you should book them to perform just one album in full like Primal Scream have done this year, Holy Bible was mentioned and he said it was a great idea.

That being said though IMO I reckon theres about 10% chance of it happening.

[AcademicPistol]

if Green Day, Avenged Sevenfold and Metallica were announced as Headliners i would cream my pants.

But ain't gonna happen.

I could see Paramore subbing for Green Day with Sum 41, Good Charlotte and Deftones also playing the same night... so could look like this...

Green Day

Paramore

Deftones

Enter Shikari

Good Charlotte

Sum 41.

Thoughts?

[AcademicPistol]

Spoke to Andy some months back about the Manics and I said you should book them to perform just one album in full like Primal Scream have done this year, Holy Bible was mentioned and he said it was a great idea.

That being said though IMO I reckon theres about 10% chance of it happening.

[mrtourette]

Playing album shows/tours are usually the band's call, I doubt anyone would take kindly to being told "we want to book you but only if you play the songs we want you to".

[jump]

The low percentage is probably a good thing MSP only really have 1 good song and we all know what is......

[thegremlin_1999]

Manic Street Precahers only have one good song?

[AcademicPistol]

I was trying very hard not to rise to the posters obvious deafness...

I will not rant! hahah

The manics would be a great 3rd stage headliner vs someone like Paramore on the main and Machine Head on the second

(I know they're bigger than a normal 3rd stage headliner slot, but vs the biggest cult metal band going and an undoubtedly popular band in paramore the crowd would hopefully be a bit more split....)

[Chavmeisterdeluxe]

Theres no way a7x are gonna be headlining material in 2012?

I love em but saw em at graspop this june and they defo play to backing tracks.

Anyone else noticed this?

[thegremlin_1999]

Your quite right i shouldn't make fun of things i don't like (i am a cynical a-hole at times) your idea of them playing 3rd stage would bring diversity to download which it desperately needs but i think AC would have a hard time convincing them to playing in the tent lol out of interest who would you watch if these 3 clashed , personally i would watch a bit of each hopefully catching motorcycle emptiness from MSP

[AcademicPistol]

The manics everytime. Seen machine head a bunch of times over the years and just a little bored of em tbh and I have little interest in paramore.

Plus I adore the manics, always have, always will and they work so much better enclosed than out in the open IMO. having said that they were phenomenal at reading in 2001... /nostalgiamodeoffcausei'mfeelingold

[GRichards23]

Paramore, Rammstein and Metallica to headline is growing into my guess.

Also feel Evanescence will be in the line up along with Motorhead, Limp Bizkit, Weezer, Machine Head, BMTH etc...