thought for the day... again... capitalism? dying? dead?

[sifi]

Fish - I think you are correct for small business. I don't think it's neccessarily the case for larger organisations where contracts are discussed face to face over meetings that go on for years. That's where the big decisions are made, not on the phone. Can you see that? Apart from some key Account Manager types, the phone / blackberry simply ensures that all employees are on call essentially 24/7.

Edited November 7, 2011 by sifi

[sifi]

In both those instances you've cited, the employee would be paid to be on call, and issued a phone rather than just hoping that an employee will take a call at two in the morning on the off chance. That's what on-call is paid for.

With regards to getting hold of senior managers, most have PAs, and teams of people working for them. If the senior man is out, then his work is typically covered by others in his team.

And mine wasn't a silly example. The company I work for insure airline fleets, nuclear power stations, refineries and so forth. People don't tend to go through the yellow pages looking for nuclear power insurance companies, you know.

But this is fairly typical of you, to be honest. You try and apply things which might be appropriate to companies working out of a pre-fab in Warrington, but not of a company which literally never sleeps because it's truly global.

Edited November 7, 2011 by sifi

[sifi]

Oaf - after all these years, you still can't put together a reasoned argument. I have no idea what half of that last post actually meant.

Anyhow, haven't got time to exchange (un) pleasentries with an Oaf today.,

[fred quimby]

_{How did we get onto whether mobile phones are important or not, what has that got to do with anything}

[eFestivals]

If Mobile phones went tomorrow then no body would have them so there would no completive advantage. If you tried to survive in this culture with everyone else having them and you was that company where things where constantly left to the next day, well, your simply not going to be around for long... Your much more agile and responsive competitors are going to walk right over you.

That is the point I was trying to get at.

In this commercial environment the mobile phone is as important as all the other tools we use day to day which speed up business interaction while on the go... Tablets / Laptops / netbooks / Smartphones...

PMSL.

That whole idea is based on an idea that every customer is a such an impatient c**t and with as such a high regard for their own self importance that they don't get an immediate response they'll sack off the business they've built a relationship with and change to one they know nothing about and which might fuck them over.

When you grow up and get a brain, you'll get to discover it's only the c**ts who work that way.

And from a business angle, c**ts like that aren't worth having as your customers anyway. They're not the types anyone makes money from.

[eFestivals]

and how does this make what I am saying wrong

[sonny]

http://www.channel4.com/programmes/the-flaw

This may be interesting

[Ed209]

I don't think that the real innovators are driven by cash, they want to innovate and create things. Look at Tim Berners Lee for example. He didn't do what he did for money, did he? So there are clearly other ways to innovate other than through the capitalist model.

[eFestivals]

.... have been driven by capitalism need.

Corrected for you.

Could capitalism have sold us faster speeds than could be used? Perhaps, but only the morons would have bought it.

[kaosmark2]

Corrected for you.

Could capitalism have sold us faster speeds than could be used? Perhaps, but only the morons would have bought it.

[5co77ie]

Occupy London gets set for student demo on 9th November

• Education march to come to Occupy London as fight is taken to the City, bringing together students, electricians, unions, anti cuts campaigners and others

• Expect lively teach out from Occupy London; Rise Against, Tom Morello (see review on eGigs http://www.egigs.co....dex.php?a=13966) and others marching with Occupy London; Plus Billy Bragg, Chumbawamba and more to perform at St Paul's

• Attendees invited to bring warm clothes, sleeping bags and tents if wanting to join Occupy London's camps

In solidarity with students, education workers and all resisting the various attacks on education, Wednesday 9th November sees Occupy London - part of the global movement for real democracy which aims to challenge social and economic injustice in the UK and beyond - join the national student demonstration against fees, cuts and privatisation. Students will be joined on the day by thousands of striking electricians who are marching in protest at a 35% national pay cut, as well as many others.

Students inspired people when they took the government to task last year over austerity cuts intended to slice up the UK's education system for the benefit of the priviliged few," said Occupy London supporter Laura Taylor. “We must challenge those who have caused the iniquities of the financial crisis. The nationâ's students and others should not be the ones paying for the gambling of the financial sector and the lack of regulation."

With tens of thousands expected to attend, the day of action is supported by National Campaign Against Fees and Cuts, NUS, UCU and a host of trade unions. Occupy London will be supporting in a numbers of ways.

Occupy London's Tent City University's 'Teach-Out'

Tent City University - Occupy London's education arm - is holding one of its 'teach-outs' at 10.30am at Russell Square, just around the corner from the march start point. It promises a lively discussion looking at the attacks on FE and HE education, the issues of social justice, commodification and radical alternatives. Speakers include George Monbiot, Polly Toynbee, Richard Hall and Dave Hill (of the Social Science Centre), Alex Callinicos (King's College London), Guy Mitchell (the Really Open University, anti-cuts activist) with lots of space for discussion.

March to the City past Occupy London Stock Exchange

Starting from Malet Street at 12 noon, the march will travel through Trafalgar Square, up the Strand, before passing the Occupy London Stock Exchange site, just by St Paul's Cathedral. The demonstration will finish at Moorgate Junction, symbolically next to London Metropolitan University, which will be one of the hardest hit institutions.

Occupy London supporters Rise Against and Tom Morello will be joining the march and performing after. Expect other guest appearances. Do bring warm clothes, food and water, and camping equipment if you are planning to stay at the Occupy London camps, which are currently at St Paul's Cathedral and Finsbury Square.

Protest songs for Occupy London

From 3-5pm at Occupy London Stock Exchange by St Paul's there will be a very special gathering of political, folk and acoustic singers, supporting Occupy London and the student demonstration. Chumbawamba, Peggy Seeger, Billy Bragg, Roy Bailey, Steve Knightley, Leon Rosselson and Tony Benn will all be there, so bring your loudest singing voice and be ready to join in.

Edited November 8, 2011 by 5co77ie

[lost]

What is the current NUS position on fee's, are they still supporting the graduate tax?

[5co77ie]

I didn'[t realise the Met Police were so caring

Police have sent dozens of letters to anti-cuts activists as young as 17 warning them of the consequences of attending a student demonstration planned in central London on Wednesday.

The letters, which activists say have had a severe chilling effect onprotest, have been sent to anyone arrested with previous public disorder offences even if they were later cleared or charges were dropped.

At a briefing Met officials said that letters would only be sent to those who had been convicted of offences but a spokesperson from the Met later admitted this was incorrect and confirmed that anyone who had been arrested in the last year in relation to an "austerity related" protest had been sent the warning.

[kaosmark2]

Nice of them. So if you've done nothing wrong, but attended a protest where anything has gone wrong, you're on a list of suspicious protestors, and get letters warning about the consequences of attending.

[eFestivals]

they're tightening up all the laws around protesting, same as they ever do when they know the likelihood of protests is high.

Perhaps if things get really bad, the brigade who've been happy to see our civil rights whittled away because they couldn't see themselves ever challenging 'the system' and extreme measures only being applied to 'terrorists' might have to wake up to what they've done.

Because as far as 'the establishment' are concerned, we are all terrorists now because we wish to over-turn the established order in some manner. Even the most (small 'c') conservative types of people are waking up to just how rotten our system of govt has become.

Something's going to change, it only remains to find out what.

[The Nal]

Italy on seriously shaky ground now. Europe cant afford to bail that lot out. Worrying stuff.

[5co77ie]

Looks like the Occupy campaigns are entering an endgame in America now following three deaths:

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5iW_ZyP0RCwW8eM0IvVeeDeXGithA?docId=CNG.9c301142d8627c4b530bb7da844f04bf.131

[5co77ie]

...and it looks like France could be in trouble:

http://www.guardian....hreat-to-france

Edited November 11, 2011 by 5co77ie

[lost]

...and it looks like France could be in trouble:

http://www.guardian....hreat-to-france

[5co77ie]

occupy London have taken over a bank:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/blog/2011/nov/18/occupy-london-takes-over-empty-ubs-bank-live?fb=native

[Purple Monkey]

[feral chile]

[feral chile]

LOL... Food for thought ? More like usual tired bullshit

[Purple Monkey]

Fuck me you need to get a job or something

Edited November 22, 2011 by Purple Monkey

[eFestivals]

The £400M loss on the sale of Northern Rock to Virgin Money has been widely reported.

What hasn't been widely reported is...

That for at least 15 years Branson has been desperate to get his hands on any cash-rich business so that he can use the cash within that business for his own businesses - businesses that have *all* been financial failures under his ownership. He survives by the licencing of the Virgin name to others who are actually competent to run businesses. Branson's initial 'success' was the result of VAT and tax fraud and nothing else (where he got a fine just 1/10th of the money he stole. It's handy when your dad or grandad [i forget which] is a high court judge). Oh, and his properties keep mysteriously burning down: I wonder why?

That the 'bad bank' part of Northern Rock leaves a liability on the tax payer of £21Bn.

That the guy who was in charge of Northern Rock when it went this disastrous route remains living in his huge country estate with taxpayer subsidies, from where he campaigns for lower regulation for banks, because they make the country so much money - if you ignore the £21Bn in losses he's caused of course.