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thought for the day... again... capitalism? dying? dead?

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eFestivals Mentor

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Well we developed the idea that effort, or you idea of effort, wasn't what it is just about... but you don't seem to want to move beyond that and then reject any idea that stress and responability exist in peoples jobs.

There can be stress to any job. There is responsibilities with every job.

Are those stresses and responsibilities a greater burden on just bosses? Are they fuck.

And I doubt you have an interest in recognising expert skill sets some people might have and have worked hard to gain.

the linguistically correct expression is: have leisured hard to gain. ;)

Leisure is anything unpaid, so you study and learn at college at your leisure.

After all, it's not work as we're talking about here, because there is zero product from that work, there is only self-gain

(which is funnily enough much the same thiung as a person might get as a result of that study).

So, what you're saying here is that you think that three non-working years entitles you to greater money in the working years. Do you tell that to those who are unwillingly on benefits too? :lol:

Any skill sets you've learnt you've learnt because you've wanted to or acquired by chance, not for the reward you'll get from having them.

We have tried communism Neil, it didn't work...

really, when? Please do say. :lol:

Or are you showing just how little you understand about such things?

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Complete rubbish. (pardon the pun)

You're just as guilty of prejudices as Bazza. The prejudice you have for everything being equal. It isn't.

Try articulating your point better instead of trying to ram it down people's throats as if they're stupid and don't understand.

It's rubbish on what basis? :lol:

I used to go drinking with a town's bin men (one lived in the same house as me) on a regular basis because my work hours fitted much with theirs (Friday arvos in the pub). They were as a whole certainly no less happy in their work than any other group of people I've ever met.

The job had it's downsides (but so does every job, even 'the best job in the world') such as the smell on occasions, or working in the cold or rain, but overall those where there for the long-term found enough about it satisfying so that they didn't want to move to something different.

The parts of their work that made them least happy was if/when they got a c**tish boss, not the actual task they were employed to do - which is funnily enough the same with all people in all jobs. It's the temporary and transient factors of their job which makes most people unhappy in their work, not the actual task.

I'm of course not trying to say that applies to everyone in every job - an MD can be just as unhappy with their lot as a bin man, it depends on their suitability for that task, and how much satisfaction their job gives from what they do. But people slot into the sorts of jobs that they know of, and that's applicable to all - some end up in satisfying jobs and some not.

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No I do my job for reward... Just like a bin man.... The reward is money to buy the things we want and need...

You both do your job for a reward. But your reward also brings you privilege, while their reward does not.

So the only difference between you is you doing your job for the privileges yours gives (and privileges which FAR outweigh the differences in efforts made).

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So... The future being offered is...

The shelf stacker and the manager of the super market get the same pay per hour...

We hope that the opportunity to be a manager is a driver enough for a good candidate to enter the managers position. After all the should think themselves lucky they won't have to stack those shelves anymore.

Its flawed so heavily... For so many reasons...

If this ever comes about I am taking the shelf stacker job. Is that ok ?

Yeah - cos there's too many programmers who are unemployed who are far better than you are at programming anyway. :)

But your prejudices wouldn't allow you to stack shelves, and you know it - so you'd keep on keeping on, and prove that all you've spouted is cover for your greed and simply wrong. :)

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What I have said, more than once and as clearly as I can manage, is that our current economic system is based on a lie. The lie that we can have unlimited economic growth and that we can have unlimited production and consumption. We cannot. Natural resources are finite. They will run out. It doesnt matter whether it's oil, phosphates, water or whatever. When that time comes, unless we prepare for it, we're all in the shit.

Not if you're Barry Fish, cos his "preparing for it" will include trying to have the biggest gun. ;)

And of course that fits perfectly with his claims of wanting a fair world. :lol::lol:

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Did anyone know there's been protests on Wall Street since the 17th September?

http://www.internete...evolution_gnews

http://www.nomadicso...s_Movement.html

It's not being reported on the media though. Except here:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/27/nyregion/wall-street-demonstrations-test-police-trained-for-bigger-threats.html?partner=rss&emc=rss

protesters were corralled by police officers who put up orange mesh netting; the police forcibly arrested some participants; and a deputy inspector used pepper spray on four women who were on the sidewalk, behind the orange netting.
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Out of interest Purple Monkey, or anyone else for that matter, you seem to be well read on this, one of my BFFs is a trader in the City, and has been for 7 years now. He used to be have a social conscious, but its been slowly eroded. Its his birthday coming up and I want to get him a book to read that will tap into this side of him again, something that will shock him, and make him pause to have a think about what he is really involved in and devoting his life to.

One book to give a trader ... what would you recommend?

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Out of interest Purple Monkey, or anyone else for that matter, you seem to be well read on this, one of my BFFs is a trader in the City, and has been for 7 years now. He used to be have a social conscious, but its been slowly eroded. Its his birthday coming up and I want to get him a book to read that will tap into this side of him again, something that will shock him, and make him pause to have a think about what he is really involved in and devoting his life to.

One book to give a trader ... what would you recommend?

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Out of interest Purple Monkey, or anyone else for that matter, you seem to be well read on this, one of my BFFs is a trader in the City, and has been for 7 years now. He used to be have a social conscious, but its been slowly eroded. Its his birthday coming up and I want to get him a book to read that will tap into this side of him again, something that will shock him, and make him pause to have a think about what he is really involved in and devoting his life to.

One book to give a trader ... what would you recommend?

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