The Dirty Independence Question

[eFestivals]

10 hours ago, comfortablynumb1910 said:

Just catching up with the weekend papers and liked this from Saturday`s Herald....

 

" The UK is entering a prolonged period of economic and cultural turbulence and a tiny group of ruthless, self-serving and predatory individuals are leading the way.They will not hesitate to ditch that which they consider to be excess baggage to reach their objectives : the rest of us.

A second independence referendum gives Scotland the ideal chance to ditch them first "

That'll be the 2nd indyref that Sturgeon doesn't want.

That'll be the 2nd indyref that Sturgeon doesn't want because it will drive Scotland into poverty and she doesn't have a clue how to deal with it.

That'll be the 2nd indyref that Sturgeon doesn't want because to lose would be a disaster for the SNP.

That'll be the 2nd indyref that Sturgeon doesn't want because to win would be a disaster for the Scotland.

But maybe the brain dead like you will drive her into that disaster, just like the kippers drove the UK into one.

Comfy, as smart as any kipper. Does it make you feel all warm inside?

Edited July 5, 2016 by eFestivals

[eFestivals]

23 hours ago, zahidf said:

studies have shown that areas with the least immigration are the most virulently anti immigration. high immigration areas are more tolerant. scotlands lack of immigration would not be a factor!

Not true.

It would work in the exact same way as it works in the rest of the UK, because all social attitudes surveys have shown Scottish thinking to be fully in line with the rest of the UK.

If Scotland had meaningful immigration, that immigration would be primarily in the cities. When the rest of the population visits those cities they'll get hit in the face by the stark difference in those cities to the normal they experience every day in their place of residence, and will feel lost and isolated in their own country which no longer looks like they imagined.

Either that, or Scotland will merely show that it "hates darkies" (your own words, zahidf) at the same rate as the rest of the UK. Take your pick.

Edited July 5, 2016 by eFestivals

[LJS]

38 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

Not true.

It would work in the exact same way as it works in the rest of the UK, because all social attitudes surveys have shown Scottish thinking to be fully in line with the rest of the UK.

If Scotland had meaningful immigration, that immigration would be primarily in the cities. When the rest of the population visits those cities they'll get hit in the face by the stark difference in those cities to the normal they experience every day in their place of residence, and will feel lost and isolated in their own country which no longer looks like they imagined.

Either that, or Scotland will merely show that it "hates darkies" (your own words, zahidf) at the same rate as the rest of the UK. Take your pick.

So, you manage to claim that the Scots are as anti immigration as the rest of the UK & the reason we are not as anti immigration is because we don't have so many immigrants.

Quality stuff Neil.

[eFestivals]

3 minutes ago, LJS said:

So, you manage to claim that the Scots are as anti immigration as the rest of the UK & the reason we are not as anti immigration is because we don't have so many immigrants.

Quality stuff Neil.

Do you have the same number of immigrants? You don't even have one third the number.

Do you think attitudes are fixed forever, or do you think attitudes alter due to changed circumsatnces?

FFS LJS, how brain dead are you? Has indy grown in popularity for no reasons, or for reasons?

It's naff all different with anything else.

But you prefer to put your head in a hole and claim moral superiority based on nothing at all.

 

[LJS]

8 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

Do you have the same number of immigrants? You don't even have one third the number.

Do you think attitudes are fixed forever, or do you think attitudes alter due to changed circumsatnces?

FFS LJS, how brain dead are you? Has indy grown in popularity for no reasons, or for reasons?

It's naff all different with anything else.

But you prefer to put your head in a hole and claim moral superiority based on nothing at all.

 

Good, glad you agree with me, that, for whatever reason, we are a bit less fussed about immigration up here.

[eFestivals]

3 minutes ago, LJS said:

Good, glad you agree with me, that, for whatever reason, we are a bit less fussed about immigration up here.

Yep, just like you're not bothered by heatwaves.

Few are bothered by something they don't have.

Edited July 5, 2016 by eFestivals

[kaosmark2]

1 hour ago, eFestivals said:

Yep, just like you're not bothered by heatwaves.

Few are bothered by something they don't have.

There's not much immigration in Wales and they're bothered by it.

[eFestivals]

21 minutes ago, kaosmark2 said:

There's not much immigration in Wales and they're bothered by it.

Are they? What you basing that on?

Some differences to note, which are likely to affect attitudes:

1. immigration is in Wales is more-concentrated to a few particular places (particularly Cardiff).

2. those places are likely to visited more often by a greater proportion of the population than is the case in the much bigger-geographically Scotland with its much-more dispersed population.

3. People in Wales have a greater interaction with other parts of the UK that have heavy immigration than is the case in the more geographically-isolated Scotland (and where the nearest non-Wales places most are likely to visit [Bristol / West Midlands / NW cites] have a big non-white proportion).

Also, of course, are the economic arguments. Scotland is the richest-against-needs 'nation' of the UK, while Wales is the least. As result, Wales feels economically abandoned (perhaps in favour of immigrants) while (comparatively) Scotland does not.

Edited July 5, 2016 by eFestivals

[kaosmark2]

19 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

Are they? What you basing that on?

Some differences to note, which are likely to affect attitudes:

1. immigration is in Wales is more-concentrated to a few particular places (particularly Cardiff).

2. those places are likely to visited more often by a greater proportion of the population than is the case in the much bigger-geographically Scotland with its much-more dispersed population.

3. People in Wales have a greater interaction with other parts of the UK that have heavy immigration than is the case in the more geographically-isolated Scotland (and where the nearest non-Wales places most are likely to visit [Bristol / West Midlands / NW cites] have a big non-white proportion).

Also, of course, are the economic arguments. Scotland is the richest-against-needs 'nation' of the UK, while Wales is the least. As result, Wales feels economically abandoned (perhaps in favour of immigrants) while (comparatively) Scotland does not.

Support for UKIP and rejection of EU.

I don't disagree with your potential reasons. But there isn't an outright trend of how much immigration there is to somewhere and how positive/negative attitudes are.

[eFestivals]

8 minutes ago, kaosmark2 said:

Support for UKIP and rejection of EU.

I don't disagree with your potential reasons. But there isn't an outright trend of how much immigration there is to somewhere and how positive/negative attitudes are.

 

Votes for UKIP aren't necessarily about immigration, just as votes in Scotland for the SNP aren't necessarily about a desire for indy.

And rejection of the EU certainly doesn't equate to only being about immigration. Certainly some of it is, but there's also pockets where its mostly about feeling abandoned by the dominant politics.

[Comfy Bean]

5 hours ago, eFestivals said:

Congratulations comfy. You're the winner of the new annual eFestivals Brain Dead Prize. If y9ou let me know your address I can send it to you.

 

Why thank you sir  I`m not sure it`s new though as I`m almost certain I won it last year !?

As an aside, it feels ever so slightly tarnished as just after the big announcement you appear to agree with me that the figure is not in fact the £10Bn you`ve been claiming recently but now down to £9.5Bn. A 5% downward projection overnight !!

Since you asked, yes I would like you to start quoting £9.5Bn from now on. We can maybe work on chipping it down a bit further before the big day. Plenty of time 

Prize to :

Comfy,

A Cave,

Ayrshire,

Scotland,

Europe.

[LJS]

I am amused to see that some anonymous person is using their 3 votes every day to down vote me.

If anyone would like to annoy them, feel free to up vote me.

[eFestivals]

1 hour ago, comfortablynumb1910 said:

As an aside, it feels ever so slightly tarnished as just after the big announcement you appear to agree with me that the figure is not in fact the £10Bn you`ve been claiming recently but now down to £9.5Bn. A 5% downward projection overnight !!

Fuck sake comfy, that's the one and only saving that Salmond was able to identify.

There's no savings to be had over Trident, or London train sets, or sewers, or Olympics, or HS2. Not a penny (they've already been stripped out).

The cupboard is bare. Have you ever stopped to wonder why Sturgeon isn't whipping the country up into a nationalist fervour at a moment when sentiment is very widely largely on her side?

If there was an economic case that could be stood up as credible I've no doubt whatever that indyref2 would already be announced and the ref would be won. No doubt at all.

But the economic case from last time has shattered into the dust many had already realised it was, so that it can no longer be sensibly suggested. Project Fear has been proven as project fact, both in Scotland and the UK.

Sturgeon knows that indyref2 with a no vote would be a disaster for the SNP and with a yes vote would be a disaster for Scotland.

When you're pointing and laughing at the madness of the kippers who've voted us out, how do you think it looks when your advocating piling much greater madness on top?

[eFestivals]

1 hour ago, comfortablynumb1910 said:

Since you asked, yes I would like you to start quoting £9.5Bn from now on

I'll quote whatever number I wish, while always using it in the correct context.

If that's too confusing for you, then you're not smart enough to know whether indy is a good thing or a bad thing.

[eFestivals]

37 minutes ago, LJS said:

I am amused to see that some anonymous person is using their 3 votes every day to down vote me.

If anyone would like to annoy them, feel free to up vote me.

I'm not entirely sure how, but some people (perhaps only gold members, I'm not sure) are able to see who has made upvotes or downvotes - and I think (tho again, don't know) it's possible to see the votes for others like that.

If I knew how to do it myself I'd look and tell you who it was.

[Comfy Bean]

3 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

I'm not entirely sure how, but some people (perhaps only gold members, I'm not sure) are able to see who has made upvotes or downvotes - and I think (tho again, don't know) it's possible to see the votes for others like that.

If I knew how to do it myself I'd look and tell you who it was.

It's stash. I think it's cute (cue downvotes)  lol.

I think it is a feature for the gold members.

[eFestivals]

6 minutes ago, comfortablynumb1910 said:

I think it is a feature for the gold members.

which still doesn't really explain why me as admin don't seem to have it.

How do you look at them?

 

 

[Comfy Bean]

Just now, eFestivals said:

which still doesn't really explain why me as admin don't seem to have it.

How do you look at them?

 

 

I just click on the wee box with the heart on it. When you hover over it it comes up with " See who gave reputation "

When you click it then shows you their wee avatar thingy and gives the name. If it`s a downvote and it`s an LJS`s post then you don`t need to hover or click anything as it will have been Stash 

[eFestivals]

2 minutes ago, comfortablynumb1910 said:

I just click on the wee box with the heart on it. When you hover over it it comes up with " See who gave reputation "

When you click it then shows you their wee avatar thingy and gives the name. If it`s a downvote and it`s an LJS`s post then you don`t need to hover or click anything as it will have been Stash 

nope, doesn't let me do that. I'll have to try and find the setting, and change it for admins.

[eFestivals]

1 minute ago, eFestivals said:

nope, doesn't let me do that. I'll have to try and find the setting, and change it for admins.

found it, sorted.

 

[eFestivals]

1 minute ago, eFestivals said:

found it, sorted.

 

Ha, not. It won't turn on for the admin group for some reason.

[Comfy Bean]

26 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

I'll quote whatever number I wish, while always using it in the correct context.

If that's too confusing for you, then you're not smart enough to know whether indy is a good thing or a bad thing.

 You specifically asked earlier today if I would like you to start using the £9.5Bn figure ( something to do with my one brain cell ) and I said I would. Now your back to using whatever number you wish. No dice !

Next you`ll be telling me I`m not getting my prize 

[Comfy Bean]

3 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

Ha, not. It won't turn on for the admin group for some reason.

Och that`s a shame. Just think of the number of upvotes you`d get........

  

[Comfy Bean]

36 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

When you're pointing and laughing at the madness of the kippers who've voted us out...........

I`m not 

[eFestivals]

32 minutes ago, comfortablynumb1910 said:

I`m not 

So you think it was the sensible option....?

To crash the economy, and make everyone poorer and feeling even more dissatisfied than they were originally?

No wonder you support indy.