The Dirty Independence Question

[LJS]

3 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

It is.

But that's not how sturgeon uses it.

Deflection, again.

She uses it to claim a greater right of self-determination. Even comfy mentioned it above.

There's no greater right of self-determination due to history, unless you recognise the blood and soil ancient nation as meaningful.

You don't half talk some bollocks in trying to deflect away from the truth.

Nothing to say about the soup?

 

[eFestivals]

27 minutes ago, LJS said:

Nothing to say about the soup?

 

the soup that's your brain? I've said it often. Thick as pigshit or a knowing liar.

[LJS]

Just now, eFestivals said:

the soup that's your brain? I've said it often. Thick as pigshit or a knowing liar.

There is only one knowing liar here & it ain't me.

And as for the soup: you're in it on this issue.

Sad when you can never admit you are wrong.

[eFestivals]

5 minutes ago, LJS said:

There is only one knowing liar here & it ain't me.

And as for the soup: you're in it on this issue.

Sad when you can never admit you are wrong.

How can I be wrong when you've given nothing to show me as wrong?

I keep asking you to tell me the civic in claiming a greater right to self-determination via the blood and soil of historic tribal Scotland.

But you never do.

[LJS]

21 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

How can I be wrong when you've given nothing to show me as wrong?

I keep asking you to tell me the civic in claiming a greater right to self-determination via the blood and soil of historic tribal Scotland.

But you never do.

The flaw is in the question. No one is claiming anything via any blood & soil. We are claiming something based on a democratic mandate. I have demonstrated beyond any doubt that only nutters share your belief that the Scottish independence movement is anything to do with blood & soil. 

Hang out with the nutters if you feel more at home there. Just don't expect anyone to take you seriously.

 

[Comfy Bean]

39 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

 

I keep asking you to tell me the civic in claiming a greater right to self-determination via the blood and soil of historic tribal Scotland.

 

It's almost as if you have ran out of ideas here mate.

Started off with greed over oil, then hatred of English, now we're betting the house on the use of the word Country.

Should Scotland be an independent Country. This was the question.

You yourself have previously stated Scotland could be an independent Country.

Glasgow is a City. Wales is a Country. There's nothing to see here.

Desperate scenes.

[Comfy Bean]

2 hours ago, eFestivals said:

she's a blood and soil nationalist, same as Hilter. Each time she says "Scotland is a country" she proves it.

There's a lot of other differences, tho.

No doubt you'll try to pretend that's bollocks, but first you'll have to tell me what the 'civic' is in "Scotland is a country".

Thank you for clearing this up.

In fairness, somewhere down the line you will be able to correctly state that you didn't stoop to comparing Nicola Sturgeon to Hitler :-)

Your views on the whole independence debate are interesting and proof that you shouldn't believe everything you read underneath newspaper articles.

LJS has provided you plenty of alternative reading material which may help change your view or at least add some balance to your thinking.

I sense your wagons are circled and your mind is made up though. You only see hatred, greed and fighting over blood and soil. Fair enough.

Fortunately for the vast majority on both sides the reality in Scotland is nothing like that.

[eFestivals]

31 minutes ago, LJS said:

The flaw is in the question. No one is claiming anything via any blood & soil. We are claiming something based on a democratic mandate. I have demonstrated beyond any doubt that only nutters share your belief that the Scottish independence movement is anything to do with blood & soil. 

Hang out with the nutters if you feel more at home there. Just don't expect anyone to take you seriously.

 

Sturgeon says "Scotland is a country" and claims a greater right to self determination when she says it.

WHAT DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND????

THERE IS NO GREATER RIGHT TO NATIONHOOD VIA HISTORY FOR ANYTHING CIVIC.

It only means something towards the blood and soil which created the ancient Scotland.

 

[eFestivals]

1 minute ago, comfortablynumb1910 said:

Thank you for clearing this up.

In fairness, somewhere down the line you will be able to correctly state that you didn't stoop to comparing Nicola Sturgeon to Hitler :-)

why do i have to correctly state something that I've already correctly stated?

 

1 minute ago, comfortablynumb1910 said:

Your views on the whole independence debate are interesting and proof that you shouldn't believe everything you read underneath newspaper articles.

You mean there's no anti-english racists supporting Scottish indy?

 

1 minute ago, comfortablynumb1910 said:

LJS has provided you plenty of alternative reading material which may help change your view or at least add some balance to your thinking.

My thinking is fine. It's not me dismissing the facts.

You know, like Sturgeon invoking the ancient blood and soil Scotland.

 

1 minute ago, comfortablynumb1910 said:

I sense your wagons are circled and your mind is made up though. You only see hatred, greed and fighting over blood and soil. Fair enough.

No, that's your own hatred making you see only that. :rolleyes:

 

1 minute ago, comfortablynumb1910 said:

Fortunately for the vast majority on both sides the reality in Scotland is nothing like that.

I agree.

But Sturgeon still invokes blood and soil when she claims a greater right to new nationhood via "Scotland is a country".

 

[eFestivals]

22 minutes ago, comfortablynumb1910 said:

It's almost as if you have ran out of ideas here mate.

PMSL.

Says the man who has run out of answers to deflect the fact of Sturgeon's words.

 

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Should Scotland be an independent Country. This was the question.

which Scotland's past status as a country has fuck all to do with. 

people in Scotland either vote for a new sovereign Scotland or they don't.

Demanding a greater right of indy because "Scotland is a country" has fuck all to do with anything of that, apart from its past as a blood and soil nation.

 

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You yourself have previously stated Scotland could be an independent Country.

It could be.

And you've stated it will be a much poorer one, and (finally) agreed with what i've been saying for 3+ years.

 

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Glasgow is a City. Wales is a Country. There's nothing to see here.

Glasgow is a city. Does that give it a greater right to be an independent city?

Wales is a country. Does that give it a greater right to be an independent country?

Texas is a country. Does that give it a greater right to be an independent country?

Scotland is a country. Does that give it a greater right to be an independent country?

Nope.

So why does Sturgeon claim that it does, unless the blood and soil of the part gives a greater right to now?

 

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Desperate scenes.

Yep, you and LJS keep on posting all sorts of empty bollocks that never actually addresses what the 'civic' is when that greater right is demanded.

It's very desperate of you.

Edited February 20, 2017 by eFestivals

[Comfy Bean]

Yes I think Wales could be an independent Country if the people living there wanted it to be. I've no idea why anyone would have a problem with that.

In my view, Glasgow could not be an independent Country.

Ireland yip. Swansea not so much.

I have already accepted that you don't recognise Scotland as a Country so not even sure why I'm responding to this Country stuff lol.

You say Scotland could be an independent Country. Nicola Sturgeon says Scotland is a Country and thinks it should be independent. I think Scotland is a Country that could be independent. 

You are comparing one or maybe two of these folk to Hilter...whoever that is :-)

I think this is complete and utter bollocks. I never thought the cave stuff would be beaten. Every day's a school day ;-)

[LJS]

6 minutes ago, comfortablynumb1910 said:

Yes I think Wales could be an independent Country if the people living there wanted it to be. I've no idea why anyone would have a problem with that.

In my view, Glasgow could not be an independent Country.

Ireland yip. Swansea not so much.

I have already accepted that you don't recognise Scotland as a Country so not even sure why I'm responding to this Country stuff lol.

You say Scotland could be an independent Country. Nicola Sturgeon says Scotland is a Country and thinks it should be independent. I think Scotland is a Country that could be independent. 

You are comparing one or maybe two of these folk to Hilter...whoever that is :-)

I think this is complete and utter bollocks. I never thought the cave stuff would be beaten. Every day's a school day ;-)

I think we just need to give up on this comfy and leave Neil to his Nazi delusions.

[Comfy Bean]

2 hours ago, LJS said:

Nothing to say about the soup?

 

Is this the one about the bloke coming hope late one night from the pub.

His Mrs asks If he wants super sex.

He replies "what kind of soup is it"

 

 

 

 

I'm already wearing my coat.

Edited February 20, 2017 by comfortablynumb1910

[eFestivals]

56 minutes ago, comfortablynumb1910 said:

Yes I think Wales could be an independent Country if the people living there wanted it to be. I've no idea why anyone would have a problem with that.

In my view, Glasgow could not be an independent Country.

Why not?

In the civic world, it only requires a civic decision.

Meanwhile, Sturgeon invokes blood and soil each time she says "Scotland is a country" to claim a greater right to nationhood than just a civic decision.

 

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I have already accepted that you don't recognise Scotland as a Country so not even sure why I'm responding to this Country stuff lol.

Whether I recognise Scotland as a country or not is no part of what I'm raising and you're trying to deflect from.

I recognise that Sturgeon claims a greater right to a new sovereign country of Scotland via Scotland's blood and soil past.

Why won't you address that? Because you know I'm right, or because you're just too thick for this discussion?

 

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You say Scotland could be an independent Country. Nicola Sturgeon says Scotland is a Country and thinks it should be independent. I think Scotland is a Country that could be independent. 

Nicola also says "Scotland is a country" to claim a greater right to independence than other places.

A claim that is absent of anything civic, and which invokes Scotland's past as a blood and soil nation.

 

Edited February 20, 2017 by eFestivals

[eFestivals]

9 minutes ago, LJS said:

I think we just need to give up on this comfy and leave Neil to his Nazi delusions.

Why not actually address the question I asked?

Until you actually do, you're addressing nothing of what I've said.

Is that because you're thick, or because you know I'm right?

Here's that question again:-

what is the 'civic' when Sturgeon claims a greater right to new-nationhood with the words "Scotland is a country"?

Edited February 20, 2017 by eFestivals

[Comfy Bean]

17 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

 

 

Nicola also says "Scotland is a greater country" to claim a greater right to independence than other places.

 

Why is "Scotland is a greater Country" in quotes ?

Did she say that or have you slipped greater in ?

Are these goal posts on the move lol

Are we actually talking about Glasgow being an independent Country......

As I've said, I regard Manchester as a City and Wales as a Country. I suspect most people agree. I know I'm wasting my time with this.

[eFestivals]

19 minutes ago, comfortablynumb1910 said:

Why is "Scotland is a greater Country" in quotes ?

Did she say that or have you slipped greater in ?

the 'greater' was simply a typing cockup. i'd seen the error and removed it before you made your post.

whoops, i'd done it twice but only removed one of them. I've now removed the other.

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Are we actually talking about Glasgow being an independent Country......

In the civic world, ANYWHERE can be independent. All it takes is the choice of the demos within the civic society.

What don't you understand about the civic movement you claim to be a part of? FFS.

 

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As I've said, I regard Manchester as a City and Wales as a Country. I suspect most people agree. I know I'm wasting my time with this.

Whatever you regard them as, it makes fuck all difference to a civic want to self-determine.

That's what a civic movement is. FFS.

As soon as someone starts invoking a greater right via tribal history, that's blood & soil.

 

Edited February 20, 2017 by eFestivals

[Comfy Bean]

But it appears no-one, apart from you which I accept you have now twice removed, has said greater.

Should Scotland be an independent Country.

Scotland is a Country.

I'll agree to disagree on this now and move on. Feel free to continue banging on about Hilter and blood and soil.

Ive made my point.

[eFestivals]

14 minutes ago, comfortablynumb1910 said:

But it appears no-one, apart from you which I accept you have now twice removed, has said greater.

that was cock up, which I managed to copy and so cock-up twice. Ignore, don't be a twat by ignoring me saying it was cock-up. 

 

14 minutes ago, comfortablynumb1910 said:

Should Scotland be an independent Country.

Scotland is a Country.

Scotland is a country, if you like.

Scotland being a country gives it no greater civic right to independence than a place which isn't currently thought of as a country.

The civic right is given *ONLY* by that civic society, and not by history.

There is no greater right to independence via history. To claim there is is to invoke the blood and soil of that ancient/historical tribal state.

 

14 minutes ago, comfortablynumb1910 said:

Ive made my point.

But you still haven't addressed mine.

What is the civic in demanding a greater right to independence via "Scotland is a country"?

Unless you can tell me with an answer that stands up, the blood and soil stands as true.

[Comfy Bean]

I have already accepted that your inclusion of greater was in error. I said I accepted that but for clarity I'm saying it again here.

I could have accused you of being a lying moron who was making up bullshit but I am saying that I accept that you made an error :-)

[eFestivals]

5 minutes ago, comfortablynumb1910 said:

I have already accepted that your inclusion of greater was in error. I said I accepted that but for clarity I'm saying it again here.

I could have accused you of being a lying moron who was making up bullshit but I am saying that I accept that you made an error :-)

and I could have accused you of avoiding the real question. 

And I do, because you are. You're avoiding the question.

Is that because you're too stupid to answer the question, or because you know you need to deflect away from it because I'm right?

What is the civic in demanding a greater right to independence via "Scotland is a country"?

Unless you can tell me with an answer that stands up, the blood and soil stands as true.

 

[Comfy Bean]

9 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

and I could have accused you of avoiding the real question. 

And I do, because you are. You're avoiding the question.

Is that because you're too stupid to answer the question, or because you know you need to deflect away from it because I'm right?

What is the civic in demanding a greater right to independence via "Scotland is a country"?

Unless you can tell me with an answer that stands up, the blood and soil stands as true.

 

Perhaps I am too stupid. I'll reflect on that.

In case it helps, I note you've slipped greater in again.

[eFestivals]

30 minutes ago, comfortablynumb1910 said:

Perhaps I am too stupid. I'll reflect on that.

In case it helps, I note you've slipped greater in again.

the 'greater' right to independence is what she claims when she says "Scotland is a country".

You've even posted within the last few days stating yourself that's what she's doing when she says it.

FFS. It's like trying to have a conversation with a goldfish.

 

[eFestivals]

23 hours ago, comfortablynumb1910 said:

As far as I'm aware, Sturgeon has to state the obvious.....Scotland is a Country.....because people keep putting it to her that some city in England also voted remain.

'some city in England' has the same civic right as anywhere else to demand independence.

What don't you understand about what 'civic' is? 

FFS.

What is the civic in demanding a greater right to independence via "Scotland is a country"?

Unless you can tell me with an answer that stands up, the blood and soil stands as true.

[LJS]

37 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

 

'some city in England' has the same civic right as anywhere else to demand independence.

What don't you understand about what 'civic' is? 

FFS.

What is the civic in demanding a greater right to independence via "Scotland is a country"?

Unless you can tell me with an answer that stands up, the blood and soil stands as true.

I refer  you to my earlier answer where I exposed the threadbare nature of your argument.

"Scotland is a nation (I'm sure you used to say country) is a simple statement. You may agree or disagree. As a statement it has nothing either civic or ethnic about it. Just as saying "this is a bowl of soup"  doesn't tell you if it's tomato or lentil. 

You have to ask "what sort of soup?" Or "what sort of nation?"

The answer to the second question contains no blood & no soil."