The Dirty Independence Question

[LJS]

26 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

Interim means the same as it does with the 1% for england where the amount is due for furth review.making Scotland more similar than you're prepared to admit.

No it doesn't

[eFestivals]

5 minutes ago, LJS said:

No it doesn't

You claim Scotland is different yet out keeps choosing to imitate Spaffer.

[eFestivals]

Looks like Scotland is about to get the chance of loads more immigrants.its said it wants more.itll be a chance to prove that.

[LJS]

1 hour ago, eFestivals said:

Looks like Scotland is about to get the chance of loads more immigrants.its said it wants more.itll be a chance to prove that.

I'm not sure these are technically immigrants. 

Nor am I sure we would wish to collude with Ms. Patel's desire to find the most remote and hostile destination for them.

[eFestivals]

19 minutes ago, LJS said:

I'm not sure these are technically immigrants. 

Nor am I sure we would wish to collude with Ms. Patel's desire to find the most remote and hostile destination for them.

Scotlsnd is definitely remote. If it isn't hohstile then they will want to remain there which is wjat you say you've been wanting. 

Edited March 18, 2021 by eFestivals

[LJS]

14 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

Scotlsnd is definitely remote. If it isn't hohstile then they will want to remain there which is wjat you say you've been wanting. 

As I understand it the decision as to whether they stay or not would lie with Ms. Patel & the UK Home Office.

[eFestivals]

31 minutes ago, LJS said:

As I understand it the decision as to whether they stay or not would lie with Ms. Patel & the UK Home Office.

They are unlikely to head to Scotland if they arrived by normalasalasylumseeker methods. Being in Scotland already if they're granted right to remain they might remain in Scotland. 

Edited March 18, 2021 by eFestivals

[eFestivals]

On 1/10/2012 at 5:19 PM, t8yman said:

a big question, one I was considering starting a thread on myself yesterday.

 

I love scotland, I married a scot, and have some great friends up there that I have met over the last 18 years, and have spent at least a year of my life up there over those years.

 

I heard a man on the radio yesterday describe the SNP as "the nastiest kind of seperatists at heart" yeasterday, and whilst that is a rather harsh genrealisation to make, I have witnessed some quite nasty anti English behaviour whilst up there. the vast vast majority of scots I meet are fantastic people.

I've been to a few festie in Scotland and had anti English aabuze.so much ioft here indie campaign revolves around dislike of England. 

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I do however- fail to see what scotland would truly achieve from becoming a seperate country. they will need to set up and finance their own NHS, HMRC (i know the HQ is in cumbernauld anyway), education system, prison service, border controls, police service, DSS, etc etc etc, and whilst that might do nicely for the employment figures I truly fail to see how a country with such a small, widely spread population could finance such an infrastructure?

Scotlsnd would have to make bigger cuts than tory austerity. Indy would cause economic damage bigger than Brexit. 

Nice to see you back t8yman. 

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I'm prepared to be educated/better informed on the subject, and freely admit I only grasp the barest of understandings of the subject, but please - be my guest - argue the case for total independance - I am here to be converted.

 

I seriously dont see how gas/oil/fishing will cover all of that.

 

as a slightly related aside - my father in law didnt realise that we pay for prescriptions in England, and I reckon that would be one of the first things to go if Salmond gets his way.

 

Edited March 18, 2021 by eFestivals

[LJS]

6 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

They are unlikely to head to Scotland if they arrived by normalasylumsewkwr methods. Being in Scotland already if they're granted right to remain they might remain in Scotland. 

I suspect the desperate attempt to house them as far away from mainland UK might suggest that the Home Office is not predisposed to granting them right to remain unless they absolutely have to.

Personally, I have no objection to asylum seekers settling here. Clearly, we don't have endless resources to welcome limitless numbers but happy to take a fair few.

[LJS]

Just now, LJS said:

I suspect the desperate attempt to house them as far away from mainland UK might suggest that the Home Office is not predisposed to granting them right to remain unless they absolutely have to.

Personally, I have no objection to asylum seekers settling here. Clearly, we don't have endless resources to welcome limitless numbers but happy to take a fair few.

... Not happy to be Patel's Guantanamo Bay.

 

[eFestivals]

1 minute ago, LJS said:

I suspect the desperate attempt to house them as far away from mainland UK might suggest that the Home Office is not predisposed to granting them right to remain unless they absolutely have to.

Personally, I have no objection to asylum seekers settling here. Clearly, we don't have endless resources to welcome limitless numbers but happy to take a fair few.

Sosvotlsand wants sovereignty to benefitincommers and not scots

[LJS]

29 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

Sosvotlsand wants sovereignty to benefitincommers and not scots

O flower of Sosvotlsand ...

 

[eFestivals]

What happened to you wanting to discuss the issues lljs?

Edited March 18, 2021 by eFestivals

[LJS]

4 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

What happened to you wanting to discuss the issues lljs?

I want sovereignty to benefit all who live in Scotland. And all who we welcome to join us there.

[eFestivals]

3 minutes ago, LJS said:

I want sovereignty to benefit all who live in Scotland. And all who we welcome to join us there.

How will trashing the economy by more than brexit undo the brexit damage? Or help fulfill your wants.you want bigger austerity than the tories gave you?

Edited March 18, 2021 by eFestivals

[pink_triangle]

I think there are advantages to living in remote Scotland, admittedly the weather probably isn’t one of them.

[eFestivals]

5 minutes ago, pink_triangle said:

I think there are advantages to living in remote Scotland, admittedly the weather probably isn’t one of them.extra

tar wealth won't be one.

≤//mythbusting>

Edited March 18, 2021 by eFestivals

[LJS]

35 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

How will trashing the economy by more than brexit undo the brexit damage? Or help fulfill your wants.you want bigger austerity than the tories gave you?

Benefit is not all about £/s/d

[LJS]

20 minutes ago, pink_triangle said:

I think there are advantages to living in remote Scotland, admittedly the weather probably isn’t one of them.

The Atlantic coast of Scotland in a gale is a glorious sight.

[eFestivals]

4 minutes ago, LJS said:

Benefit is not all about £/s/d

The why the offence about the damage o brexit or the myth that England is fleecing Scotland?

[lost]

Quite an editorial in the spectator this week.  Seems the Crown Office in Edinburgh is trying to have the Salmond allegations removed from every corner of the internet:

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-crown-office-the-spectator-and-a-fight-for-a-free-press

[eFestivals]

9 minutes ago, lost said:

Quite an editorial in the spectator this week.  Seems the Crown Office in Edinburgh is trying to have the Salmond allegations removed from every corner of the internet:

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-crown-office-the-spectator-and-a-fight-for-a-free-press

The one family business likess to work the whole one party state thing.

[LJS]

2 hours ago, lost said:

Quite an editorial in the spectator this week.  Seems the Crown Office in Edinburgh is trying to have the Salmond allegations removed from every corner of the internet:

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-crown-office-the-spectator-and-a-fight-for-a-free-press

Ahh, the spectator, the "thinking" man's Daily Mail.
I give as much weight to what the spectator says about Scotland as I do to what Neil says about Sosvotlsand.

[eFestivals]

On 1/10/2012 at 5:18 PM, Rufus Gwertigan said:

Presuming they stay in the EU at least their universities will be unable to charge English students higher tuition fees than everyone else ;-). Presume Student Loans will move from Glasgow as well.

They won't stay in the EU they've never been in it

And EUembership brings lots of inconvenience to an independent Scotland including a customs border with rUK

Omnd a need to cut spending or raise taxes 

[eFestivals]

8 minutes ago, LJS said:

Ahh, the spectator, the "thinking" man's Daily Mail.
I give as much weight to what the spectator says about Scotland as I do to what Neil says about Sosvotlsand.

Be like a brexiter and convince yourself indy is only good.