The Dirty Independence Question

[LJS]

18 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

Employee says employers is ok.

🤣

[LJS]

56 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

Employee says employers is ok.

 

[eFestivals]

Wheress the£700kingie fund gone?

[LJS]

39 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

Wheress the£700kingie fund gone?

what's a kingie fund?

[eFestivals]

11 minutes ago, LJS said:

what's a kingie fund?

Indie campaign fund

[eFestivals]

11 minutes ago, LJS said:

what's a kingie fund?

What is it?where is it? Has disappearred.

[eFestivals]

I see the EU has gone off scotch with tariffs.

[LJS]

14 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

What is it?where is it? Has disappearred.

no idea - why are you changing the subject?

13 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

I see the EU has gone off scotch with tariffs.

hadn't seen that. Why are you changing the subject?

[LJS]

Patrick Harvie hits the nail on the head. But even more importantly, isn't it great to see a politician on TV with a couple of bottles on the shelf behind him instead of the usual carefully curated bookshelf.  

 

 

[pink_triangle]

How often do independent enquiries find against the establishment?

[LJS]

2 minutes ago, pink_triangle said:

How often do independent enquiries find against the establishment?

No idea PT.

I know one found that Priti Patel had broken the  ministerial code...

I know an independent court found against the PM proroguing parliament ...

But I don't keep a tally of these things.

[Comfy Bean]

1 hour ago, LJS said:

Patrick Harvie hits the nail on the head. But even more importantly, isn't it great to see a politician on TV with a couple of bottles on the shelf behind him instead of the usual carefully curated bookshelf.  

 

 

We’re lucky to have Harvie. As I’ve said before but not in a while, he was my man of the match during the Indy campaign.

While all this has been going on, his Party got the snp budget tweaked which may well lead to the nurses getting a better increase 👍

 

[eFestivals]

8 hours ago, Comfy Bean said:

We’re lucky to have Harvie. As I’ve said before but not in a while, he was my man of the match during the Indy campaign.

👍

 

Burn all the oil. Burnit.

[LJS]

2 hours ago, eFestivals said:

Burn all the oil. Burnit.

Makes a change from "burn the witch" 

 

[eFestivals]

57 minutes ago, LJS said:

Makes a change from "burn the witch" 

 

The guilty who misled the scotgovt.

[mcshed]

15 hours ago, LJS said:

Patrick Harvie hits the nail on the head. But even more importantly, isn't it great to see a politician on TV with a couple of bottles on the shelf behind him instead of the usual carefully curated bookshelf.  

 

 

So both Patrick Harvie here and the unanimous findings of the committee point to a catastrophic failing by the Scottish Government to handle these complaints properly. Who is responsible for this?

[LJS]

4 hours ago, mcshed said:

So both Patrick Harvie here and the unanimous findings of the committee point to a catastrophic failing by the Scottish Government to handle these complaints properly. Who is responsible for this?

Lots of people: and Sturgeon has accepted that and apologised. You may feel that she should have resigned, or someone else should have resigned. You are entitled to that view. 

Harvey has some pretty robust criticism of the conduct of opposition parties on the "harrassment' committee which is also worth considering.

I see, in the end, only the Tories supported the no confidence motion. I'm not sure their behaviour throughout will do them much good at the ballot box.

Edited March 23, 2021 by LJS

[kaosmark2]

2 hours ago, LJS said:

Lots of people: and Sturgeon has accepted that and apologised. You may feel that she should have resigned, or someone else should have resigned. You are entitled to that view. 

Harvey has some pretty robust criticism of the conduct of opposition parties on the "harrassment' committee which is also worth considering.

I see, in the end, only the Tories supported the no confidence motion. I'm not sure their behaviour throughout will do them much good at the ballot box.

Who do you think should be held culpable for this fiasco?

[eFestivals]

7 hours ago, mcshed said:

So both Patrick Harvie here and the unanimous findings of the committee point to a catastrophic failing by the Scottish Government to handle these complaints properly. Who is responsible for this?

Sturgeon...who suddenly got forgetful

[LJS]

1 hour ago, kaosmark2 said:

Who do you think should be held culpable for this fiasco?

Interesting question. Unfortunately the committee set up to get the answer to that question decided that it would be far better to go after Sturgeon than actually try and get to the bottom of what happened. They wasted their time trying to prove that Sturgeon had broken the ministerial code. Unfortunately, they were too stupid to realise that there was an independent enquiry into that which had more credibility than the tawdry harassment committee. It didn't help when the Tories made it crystal clear that they had found Sturgeon guilty before listening to any evidence.

Whilst bleating endlessly about Sturgeon breaking the ministerial code, they broke the msp code right left and centre by commenting on the committee's work publicly and then leaking it's findings.

So, there are lots of people culpable, but the important point should be to learn the lessons and ensure a similar thing doesn't happen again.

Sadly the political posturing, mainly of the Tories, has made that less likely.

 

Edited March 23, 2021 by LJS

[LJS]

For as near as a neutral view, here is what Andy Wightman - the independent (ex-green) member of the committee has to say.

He is in no way uncritical of the government and various officials.

https://andywightman.scot/committee-on-the-scottish-government-handling-of-harassment-complaints

Edited March 23, 2021 by LJS

[eFestivals]

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Here at Wings it’s mostly our job to point out things that are broken. (Currently that’s mostly the SNP.)

 

[LJS]

10 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

Here at Wings it’s mostly our job to point out things that are broken. (Currently that’s mostly the SNP.)

Here in the real world, it's mostly our job to point out things that are broken (currently that's mostly StuAnon & Wings over Somerset.)

Meanwhile, young Neil who once derided his every word now is happy to quote him, something I never did. 

🙂

 

[eFestivals]

4 minutes ago, LJS said:

Here in the real world, it's mostly our job to point out things that are broken (currently that's mostly StuAnon & Wings over Somerset.)

Meanwhile, young Neil who once derided his every word now is happy to quote him, something I never did. 

🙂

 

When wings is no longer a sicker for nat bullshit infdy has a big problem.

[LJS]

13 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

When wings is no longer a sicker for nat bullshit infdy has a big problem.

Really? You would be amazed at how many people have no idea who he is.